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posted by Fnord666 on Wednesday July 15 2020, @12:58AM   Printer-friendly
from the ban-hammer dept.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-team-approves-new-terminology-bans-terms-like-blacklist-and-slave/

Linus Torvalds approved on Friday a new and more inclusive terminology for the Linux kernel code and documentation.

Going forward, Linux developers have been asked to use new terms for the master/slave and blacklist/whitelist terminologies.

The Linux team did not recommend any specific terms but asked developers to choose as appropriate.

The new terms are to be used for new source code written for the Linux kernel and its associated documentation.

The older terms, considered inadequate now, will only be allowed for maintaining older code and documentation, or "when updating code for an existing (as of 2020) hardware or protocol specification that mandates those terms."

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Linux kernel will no longer use terms 'blacklist' and 'slave'


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:06AM (67 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:06AM (#1021598)

    So an operating kernel isn't even safe from this bullshit? I'm throwing out all my tech and moving to a cabin in the woods.

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  • (Score: 5, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:19AM (31 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:19AM (#1021602)

    Don't forget to get rid of your Master Card.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by TheGratefulNet on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:34AM (30 children)

      by TheGratefulNet (659) on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:34AM (#1021612)

      anyone with a Master's degree should feel ashamed right now.

      (yes, this is stupid, absurd, and we should know that words in some contexts are NOT harmful or wrong. goddammitsomuch)

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      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by PaperNoodle on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:47AM (29 children)

        by PaperNoodle (10908) on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:47AM (#1021625)

        Anyone with a master bedroom in their home should ashamed right now.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:05AM (28 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:05AM (#1021644)

          some of your ancestors literally had slaves

          literally kept involuntary workers in their home

          imagine that - your ancestors

          • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:16AM (3 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:16AM (#1021654)

            I'm sure my ancestors, literally, we're slaves.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @03:37AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @03:37AM (#1021699)

              I cans believe dat wit you're engrish above

            • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @03:54AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @03:54AM (#1021713)

              Snap! That was the best fucking comeback of all time to that shit.

              You win the Internets for the day :)

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            • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Wednesday July 15 2020, @11:03PM

              by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Wednesday July 15 2020, @11:03PM (#1022145) Homepage
              Yeah, but Ghengis Khan.

              Go watch some Adam Rutherford vids - or buy one of his books.
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          • (Score: 3, Interesting) by PaperNoodle on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:39AM (16 children)

            by PaperNoodle (10908) on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:39AM (#1021665)

            >your ancestors literally had slaves. literally kept involuntary workers in their home

            Do you assume my race and heritage? Or Do you assume any member of %race% had slaves. Do you assume I came from wealth able to own slaves? Too many assumptions.

            Regardless, if you really care. My ancestors were discriminated against and did not own slaves. Nor wealthy enough to do so. "involuntary workers" describes my childhood. There was always a project to work on given from my father. I praise him for giving me that work even if I hated it at the time.

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            • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Mykl on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:56AM (15 children)

              by Mykl (1112) on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:56AM (#1021679)

              I think GP was sarcastically referring to your ancestors. In other words, anyone in your family tree over the past few thousand years that may have owned slaves at some point.

              Assuming 20 years per generation (historically probably not far off), you have up to 1.2 x 1030 ancestors over the past 2000 years. Even assuming 90% of your ancestors are 'shared' (i.e. branches of the family tree rejoining), that's a hell of a lot of people. At least one of them is guaranteed to have owned slaves at some point.

              In other words, we are all descended from slave owners at some point in our family tree - some of us just a bit more recently than others. Does that make us all bad people?

              • (Score: 1, Insightful) by PaperNoodle on Wednesday July 15 2020, @03:10AM (8 children)

                by PaperNoodle (10908) on Wednesday July 15 2020, @03:10AM (#1021684)

                > anyone in your family tree over the past few thousand years that may have owned slaves at some point.

                An assumption. "May not" is as accurate as "may"

                >At least one of them is guaranteed to have owned slaves at some point.

                An Assumption. Guaranteed from envelop math is not evidence.

                >we are all descended from slave owners at some point in our family tree

                An Assumption. Do not use averages to describe individual characteristics and behavior.

                >Does that make us all bad people?

                All I can gather from this conversation and the topic "new terminology banning terms like master and lave" is, yes. Any genealogy judged by modern morality is original sin. It should not matter but then why are words now being changed to accommodate such original sin?

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                • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Wednesday July 15 2020, @03:32AM (5 children)

                  by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday July 15 2020, @03:32AM (#1021696) Journal

                  Some how this sounds like the Bene Gesserit discussing ancestral memories.

                  Yeah, everyone has ancestors who did abominable things. Accept it. This doesn't mean *you* need to do abominable things.

                  As for renaming master-slave, blacklist, etc. Well, ok. If it makes some people uncomfortable, then it's the proper thing to do. But be *very* careful that you explicitly define what the new names mean, and pick terms that won't lead to future confusion. Some of those terms really need to be replaced anyway, because their definitions were quite sloppy, either originally, or became so through usage. Which end of a USB cable is the master? If the printer sends a signal over the cable to a computer telling it to initiate file reception is it the same as if the computer sens a signal to the printer telling it to get ready to print incoming data?

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                  • (Score: 1) by PaperNoodle on Wednesday July 15 2020, @03:49AM (4 children)

                    by PaperNoodle (10908) on Wednesday July 15 2020, @03:49AM (#1021708)

                    >everyone has ancestors who did abominable things. Accept it. This doesn't mean *you* need to do abominable things.

                    Does that negate reparations? Can I call on you to pay for reparations? You admit to original sin. I ask for baptism via money to me. You are white, yes? You are wealthy, yes? You have high percentage of ancestors owning slaves, yes? I hear abominable things from you.

                    >If it makes some people uncomfortable, then it's the proper thing to do.

                    The squeaky wheel gets the grease. Can you predict which wheel will squeak next? When do you ignore the squeaking? I hear abominable things from you and need monetary compensation to appease my ancestors so that I may not be offended on their behalf.

                    > their definitions were quite sloppy, either originally, or became so through usage.

                    In isolation I would probably agree with you. Context is very important.

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                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @04:24AM (3 children)

                      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @04:24AM (#1021723)

                      Does that negate reparations?

                      No.

                      Can I call on you to pay for reparations?

                      No.

                      You admit to original sin.

                      I do not.

                      I ask for baptism via money to me.

                      Good luck with that.

                      You are white, yes?

                      No. I am multicolored.

                      You are wealthy, yes?

                      That depends on your point of view. Based on my income level, I am absolutely not wealthy in this society (or most any other).

                      You have high percentage of ancestors owning slaves, yes?

                      Nope. My ancestors were poor Eastern Europeans who have been discriminated against, harassed, murdered and abused for centuries.

                      • (Score: 2, Informative) by HiThere on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:26PM (2 children)

                        by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:26PM (#1021928) Journal

                        Correction. Many of your ancestors. Most of them, however, occurred before Europe even had a name.

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                        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @08:07PM (1 child)

                          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @08:07PM (#1022078)

                          Correction. Many of your ancestors. Most of them, however, occurred before Europe even had a name.

                          I amend my previous statement to be:

                          Nope. My ancestors were poor people living within 500km of Latitude: 50° 27' 16.78" N, Longitude: 30° 31' 25.68" E, who have been discriminated against, harassed, murdered and abused for centuries.

                          Asshole.

                          • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Thursday July 16 2020, @04:29AM

                            by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Thursday July 16 2020, @04:29AM (#1022282) Journal

                            Some of your ancestors were prosimians. They didn't always act politely.

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                • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Thursday July 16 2020, @06:03AM (1 child)

                  by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Thursday July 16 2020, @06:03AM (#1022303) Homepage
                  > "May not" is as accurate as "may"

                  That may be true, but is not a refutation of the argument posed. It's classic whattaboutism. You can't prove the absense of a property within members of a set by finding an individual without that property. To refute a claim "there exists an X with property P" you need to put forward an argument that "all X do not have property P". All you've done is claim "there exists an X without property P".
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                  • (Score: 1) by PaperNoodle on Thursday July 16 2020, @02:08PM

                    by PaperNoodle (10908) on Thursday July 16 2020, @02:08PM (#1022399)

                    No whattaboutism. I didn't bring up any accusation to deflect the topic. I quoted the position and rebutted. I can be wrong or have faulty logic. That's not whattaboutism. Your comment demonstrates as much by arguing the logic or lack there of.

                    A statement made with "may" which does not change its meaning with "may not" is a weak position and built on underlying assumptions. We may find the answer to fusion in 15 years. We may solve X. We may not solve X. Something is required to solve X that is assumed can happen in the way that supports my position as demonstrated by this math on my napkin. I assume that is enough evidence to solve X.

                    I proved as much as GP proved. I did so with less assumptions. I do not need to prove anything until there is something to actually prove or counter prove.

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              • (Score: 4, Touché) by hendrikboom on Wednesday July 15 2020, @03:11AM (1 child)

                by hendrikboom (1125) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday July 15 2020, @03:11AM (#1021686) Homepage Journal

                and likewise, we are all descended from slaves.

                • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday July 15 2020, @03:40AM

                  by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday July 15 2020, @03:40AM (#1021701) Journal
                  Plus the typical master-slave relationship has much more slaves than masters.
              • (Score: 2) by inertnet on Wednesday July 15 2020, @08:58AM (3 children)

                by inertnet (4071) on Wednesday July 15 2020, @08:58AM (#1021777) Journal

                At least one of them is guaranteed to have owned slaves at some point.

                I have researched all of them down to the 15th and 16th century. None of them ever had anything to do with slavery. All of them were simple farmers, farm workers and other average people. Based on my haplogroup it is a possibility that a male ancestor of mine entered Europe as a slave, some 25 thousand years ago.

                • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Thursday July 16 2020, @06:09AM (2 children)

                  by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Thursday July 16 2020, @06:09AM (#1022306) Homepage
                  Your unrealistic view on the recording of paternal connections, combined with your unrealistic view on record keeping of any type, gives me no faith in anything else you say. How many nodes are there in the tree you've created, and what level of cosanguinity does it show?
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                  • (Score: 2) by inertnet on Monday July 27 2020, @10:22PM (1 child)

                    by inertnet (4071) on Monday July 27 2020, @10:22PM (#1027349) Journal

                    I only just saw your questions. Actually the Catholic church kept very accurate baptismal, marriage and death records and many of them can be researched online. It's more than 10 years ago and I forgot where I created my family tree. Others have taken over and added more information. I remember finding only one blood related marriage among many, because it mentions a "marriage permission for cosanguinity in the 3rd and 4th degree" in 1727. The oldest confirmed record of a direct ancestor I could find was from 1462.

                    Other than that I have a list of people who, like me, participated in a DNA research program. They differ 6 to 15 mutations from me. In context this means that our most recent common ancestor lived roughly 500 years ago for the 6 mutation difference, to very roughly 1250 years ago for the 15 mutation difference. I've never been able to connect any of their family trees to mine though.

                    My haplogroup migrated out of Africa around 25k years ago, long after the first waves of human migration. As a result of slavery would be a plausible scenario, but of course nobody will ever know what really happened that long ago.

                    • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Tuesday July 28 2020, @12:15AM

                      by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Tuesday July 28 2020, @12:15AM (#1027419) Homepage
                      Avoidance of the actual question asked noted.
                      What was proferred as a response, however, tells me all I need to know.
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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @03:58AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @03:58AM (#1021716)

            imagine that

            You mean, people like me - smart people, finest in our class -owned other people? What? Respectable, erudite people like me who can dispute the exact meaning of ancestor until it disappears? Not me.

          • (Score: 0, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @10:58AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @10:58AM (#1021809)

            How do you know with any degree of certainty?

            And even if true, why should the sins of my ancestors affect me?

            • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Thursday July 16 2020, @06:11AM

              by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Thursday July 16 2020, @06:11AM (#1022307) Homepage
              Wooooosh!

              Try to understand a poster's point before responding to it.
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          • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Bot on Wednesday July 15 2020, @12:01PM

            by Bot (3902) on Wednesday July 15 2020, @12:01PM (#1021836) Journal

            SO FUCKING WHAT?
            If you go the slippery slope of collective responsibility, you both provide a shield for those who succeed in making you believe they were oppressed to perpetrate arbitrary acts of violence, and you create a class of enemies to fight against.
            Not that I care about the violence itself, it's always been like that and it will stop only when a WORSE system gets operative. It is YOU that should be caring about YOUR SOUL.

            It's not only a matter of religion "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that WORK INIQUITY". It is about your life becoming somebody else's weapon.

            Linux adopting newspeak? it is time to fork.

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          • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @07:13PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @07:13PM (#1022052)

            Is your last name Farrier? Baker? Cooper? Faulkner? Fisher? Sawyer? Thatcher? Wright? Or is your last name based on the location where you were a serf, or maybe from the name of the lord that owned the land? Perhaps you are Slavic in descent, where so many of you were forced into servitude that your peoples name was used to mean an enslaved person.

            What is happening here is that you have a group of people who is closer to when they were considered slaves, and in a position to complain about it. Something only a free people can do. The actual slaves in Africa and the Middle East today do not have this luxury.

            I would rather see the evils that we have done and understand the history of it, than erase them from our history and hide that they ever occurred.

            To add to the list of things we need to do away with we need also consider some greetings, Ciao in particular,

            The word derives from the Venetian phrase s-ciào vostro or s-ciào su literally meaning "I am your slave".[1] This greeting is analogous to the medieval Latin Servus which is still used colloquially in parts of Central/Eastern Europe or the antiquated English valediction "Your Obedient Servant."[2] The expression was not a literal statement of fact, but rather a perfunctory promise of good will among friends (along the lines of "at your service" in English). The Venetian word for "slave", s-ciào [ˈstʃao] or s-ciàvo, derives from Medieval Latin sclavus, deriving from the ethnic "Slavic", since most of the slaves came from the Balkans.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciao [wikipedia.org]

            Slavery has existed in the world since the first conquered hunter-gatherer some tens of thousands of years ago offered to work in exchange for his life, and we have been trying to right that wrong ever since.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @07:21PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @07:21PM (#1022056)

              Millennials will bring back debt slavery, and it will be glorious.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 16 2020, @05:30PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 16 2020, @05:30PM (#1022486)

            no they didn't, you stupid fucking bolshevik bitch.

  • (Score: -1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:25AM (8 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:25AM (#1021605)

    Just wait until November when Trump wins and all the SJWs commit suicide. Linus can then use git to revert all this nonsense.

    • (Score: 0, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:04AM (7 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:04AM (#1021642)

      Does that mean you incels will commit suicide if Trump loses?

      It isn't worth it man, Trump doesn't deserve your loyalty and neither does any current sitting GOP senator. Don't let it get you down, you'll be OK and with universal healthcare you can finally get some of those health problems taken care of. The body is a temple, if it is unhealthy your soul suffers.

      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by HiThere on Wednesday July 15 2020, @03:35AM (5 children)

        by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday July 15 2020, @03:35AM (#1021698) Journal

        You're being too optimistic. Biden is better than Trump, but that's really damning with faint praise.

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        • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @08:32AM (4 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @08:32AM (#1021774)

          Wait until the debates. I think it's increasingly obvious that Biden is entering the mid to later stages of either Alzheimer's or dementia. He is just seriously not with it in the head at all anymore. Even when reciting scripted speeches he just invariably gets confused at some point. It's because of this reason I suspect that the DNC will take the unprecedented step of trying to prevent there from being any debates. They will likely use COVID as the justification.

          My main concern is that Biden will just work as a figurehead while the establishment pushes us towards war with China and Russia. Trump is a twit but a twit that has actually managed to be the first president in decades that hasn't significantly expanding our international war enterprise. I'll take trade wars over cold wars any day.

          • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @07:18PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @07:18PM (#1022054)

            It really is very sad. I was the caretaker for an elderly family member with advanced dementia (medially certified) for a number of years and watching Biden speak is painful. I talked with the doctor about signs and tells you could look for for differentiating normal memory loss with age to dementia, and Biden sadly falls squarely on the dementia side. For a while I was convinced this had to do with Biden's long history of stuttering and dealing with it using word replacement to avoid the trigger words, but that is not what we are seeing anymore.

          • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Thursday July 16 2020, @04:31AM (2 children)

            by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Thursday July 16 2020, @04:31AM (#1022284) Journal

            Look, a doorknob would be better than Trump. At least it wouldn't decide to do things out of malice or desire for praise.

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            • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Thursday July 16 2020, @06:14AM

              by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Thursday July 16 2020, @06:14AM (#1022311) Homepage
              A doorknob in a sock being used to hit the US citizenry over the head repeatedly would be better than Trump. But also better than Biden.
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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 16 2020, @07:21AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 16 2020, @07:21AM (#1022323)

              I do not really agree with this. In my view Trump is using JFK as his model. I suspect he ultimately wouldn't even really mind going out the same way. When he was pushing hard for a return to American excellence in space (including trying to accelerate a moon landing), he was clearly just trying to mimic, in rather overt fashion, the path to historicity that JFK took. But there's also something else very relevant about JFK. After JFK took a bullet to the head is when the military industrial complex started to skyrocket in influence, growth, and overall power. It was none other than General Eisenhower (the president prior to JFK) who said: [wikipedia.org]

              Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments industry. American makers of plowshares could, with time and as required, make swords as well. But we can no longer risk emergency improvisation of national defense. We have been compelled to create a permanent armaments industry of vast proportions. Added to this, three and a half million men and women are directly engaged in the defense establishment. We annually spend on military security alone more than the net income of all United States corporations.

              Now this conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence—economic, political, even spiritual—is felt in every city, every Statehouse, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet, we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources, and livelihood are all involved. So is the very structure of our society.

              In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

              I've gradually grown to like Trump because of his seeming effort to push back against the military industrial complex. Doesn't hurt that I also absolutely despise political correctness and its associated evils. But beyond this, the next decade is going to be one of the most important in our history. The reason is that we're at an international inflection point. China is already the wold's largest [wikipedia.org] economic superpower by a rapidly widening margin and soon will be larger than both the US and EU combined. Right behind them now is also India who has a hyper-accelerating economy that is expected to overcome the US within a decade.

              This sort of stuff is likely giving the establishment in DC nightmares because it all effectively spells the end of US dominance... unless. And that "unless" part is what I *really* don't want to see. Biden will be useless as a president because his mental faculties are clearly already on the way out. And he's going to required to pick a VP probably based more on race/gender than on ability. And that VP, who will likely become the president if Biden wins, is likely going to be more interested in identity politics than in actually stopping us from getting into a war from which we may never extricate ourselves, certainly not favorably. Just feels like we may be looking at the beginning of the war with Eastasia. Though of course all such documents of the future will recognize we've always truly been at war with Eastasia.

              If we had a genuine anti-war liberal, especially one who didn't play identity politics so much, I'd vote for them in a heart beat - but given our current scenario, I am thinking I will likely suck it up and give a vote to the orange man.

      • (Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @07:42PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @07:42PM (#1022064)

        Trump doesn't deserve your loyalty and neither does any current sitting GOP senator.

        Some of us out here have *no* loyalty to *any* USian side, not being USian ourselves. Ah, you might argue, Trump being in charge of the US is 'bad for the rest of the world', but hey, I already know this to be true, as I've heard it from the lips of one of our blessed 'moderate leftist' politicians (In US terms, he'd be somewhere on your filthy commie scale as a 'Stalinist/Maoist'), of course, being a politician, he would not lie...and if people like him were in charge of the US, all would be sweetness and light.....aye, right, my arse, it would.

        The sentiment behind the other AC's comment 'Just wait until November when Trump wins and all the SJWs commit suicide.' is shared by a lot of us out here who, while not being fans of Trump, we do however appreciate (as in, get the popcorn in lads, this promises to be fun...) the tantrums his tantrums inspire in the fuckwits lumped under the 'SJW' banner.

        Looking in from out here, some of us don't see much of a difference in the gross between your two political parties (especially when it comes to their attitude to the rest of the world..), so, Trump's a fuckwit, big deal, so was Obama, and Clinton, and Shrub...but hey, we say the same about our fuckwits in power, so please don't take this as a specific criticism.

        Anyhoo, they don't have to do the species a favour and kill themselves, they could all claim political asylum in Canada, I hear they've embraced the SJW/Alphabetsoupgender/Woke nonsense up there hook, line and stinker(sic)...I'm sure the Canucks would be glad to have so many like minded fellow travellers on board their fun little social experiment...

  • (Score: 4, Touché) by c0lo on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:33AM (4 children)

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:33AM (#1021611) Journal

    So an operating kernel isn't even safe from this bullshit?

    What? You reckon an OS kernel can't function without the symbol names containing 'blacklist' and 'slave' or what?

    I'm throwing out all my tech and moving to a cabin in the woods.

    If you do so, stay there, don't get out as Unabomber.

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    • (Score: 4, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:24AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:24AM (#1021657)

      Or worse yet, the Unaboomer.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @03:00AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @03:00AM (#1021681)

        *Uberdoomer

    • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Bot on Wednesday July 15 2020, @04:44PM

      by Bot (3902) on Wednesday July 15 2020, @04:44PM (#1021981) Journal

      >What? You reckon an OS kernel can't function without the symbol names containing 'blacklist' and 'slave' or what?

      I reckon this is only the beginning. Once you bow to this BULLSHIT they won't stop and come up with something else. The slippery slope is a fallacy only when you don't see it happening year after year.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 16 2020, @05:35PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 16 2020, @05:35PM (#1022489)

      Of course colo would defend this shit, along with way too many Aussies. Pitiful.

  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:37AM (19 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:37AM (#1021615)

    I've renamed my blacklist to motherfucker, my whitelist to pussy, and renamed my slave drive to cocksucker. I need a name for my Kaepernick collection... Any suggestions?

    • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:40AM (18 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:40AM (#1021620)

      I need a name for my Kaepernick collection... Any suggestions?

      Mediocre?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:59AM (17 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:59AM (#1021633)

        As a hero he is pretty mediocre I'll grant you that.

        Now MLK, that dude was a real hero. Schindler was another hero, putting his life on the line with fucing Nazis to save lives. Rosa Parks, heroine of the best kind. Can't forget Lincoln, the President with the balls to put down racist traitors! Or Doy Gorton who worked so hard for Civil Rights while trying to educate people on the reality of southern US states.

        It saddens me that some people hate the idea of mutual respect, but thankfully the average American is learning to drop the outdated divisive hatred.

        • (Score: 5, Interesting) by HiThere on Wednesday July 15 2020, @03:40AM (15 children)

          by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday July 15 2020, @03:40AM (#1021702) Journal

          You need to study a bit of history. Lincoln *was* a hero, but his goal was to keep the Union together. Freeing the slaves was not one of his priorities, despite many of the southern folk acting as if it was. When he *did* decide to free the slaves (Emancipation Proclamation) it only applied to those within areas in revolt against the US government.

          That his goals weren't the current ones doesn't keep him from being a hero, but he wasn't the particular hero you're trying to make him into. Freeing the slaves was, to him, mainly a tactical maneuver in the winning of the Civil War. Yes, he thought freeing the slaves was the proper action without respect to the war, but as president he wouldn't have lifted one finger to accomplish is if the South hadn't tried to withdraw from the Union.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @04:21AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @04:21AM (#1021721)

            I actually have heard that bit, but it was too good of a poke at potential jackasses to pass up. Regardless of his personal motivations the results were what mattered.

          • (Score: 5, Insightful) by bradley13 on Wednesday July 15 2020, @11:44AM (6 children)

            by bradley13 (3053) on Wednesday July 15 2020, @11:44AM (#1021826) Homepage Journal

            Absolutely right, but you won't read that in school textbooks. The Emancipation Proclamation was a tool of war, and explicitly did not apply to slaves in the Union.

            Anyway, TFA: why does anyone think "blacklist" and "Whitelist" have anything to do with race? Black and white are colors, specifically in this case the absence or presence of light.

            It's not even people with melanin driving this. It's entirely SJWs taking offense on other people's behalf. Pathetic, and more pathetic to give in to it. Give these idiots one concession and they will expect the next.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:24PM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:24PM (#1021884)

              And these kind of progressions never seem to acknowledge the existence of a greylist. I'm sure whatever they come up with will be a mouthful.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:26PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:26PM (#1021929)

                Greylist and Greenlist are offensive toward alien visitors. :D
                I'm not sure about Graylist...

                CYA

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @07:23PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @07:23PM (#1022057)

              Boy are you wrong, you are probably on the take from the spotlight industrial complex.

              https://level.medium.com/the-unintentional-racism-found-in-traffic-signals-b2899c34fefb?gi=sd [medium.com]

              How is it possible that well into the 21st century, parents all over Manhattan — well-meaning, #BLM-marching parents — are teaching their children to ask “little White men” for permission to cross the street? And why doesn’t this seem to bother them?

              It certainly bothered me — so much so that I began to dig deep into my fortysomething consciousness to try and remember if I was raised asking a little White guy to let me cross the street. Were these the words my progressive White mother used to teach her little Brown children the fundamentals of pedestrian safety? Turns out, I wasn’t raised this way — and neither, most likely, were you.

              At a time when the totems of systemic anti-Blackness are being dismantled at a surprising pace, there comes a moment when you have to consider the endgame. And traffic lights are one of those moments. Because while this highly politicized period does demand a racial rethink, overhauling the stoplight industrial complex is probably not the best use of our resources. A White man isn’t really telling us when to cross the street, even if we hear a friend blithely expressing it in those terms.

              Nonetheless, that little White man woke me up to the ways that language imparts power and privilege even upon the most banal necessities. And so, as I begin teaching my boys survival basics like riding a bike, waiting in line, and… yes… crossing the street, I’ll work hard to avoid phrases like “little White man.” Obviously “bright light person” rolls off the tongue far less mellifluously, but a bit of extra verbal labor is worth the price of not conceding our power to even one more little White man.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @08:06PM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @08:06PM (#1022076)

              Apart from what's now West Virginia, how many Union states even had slaves? The emancipation proclamation freed a ton of slaves as the Union army advanced.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 16 2020, @04:13AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 16 2020, @04:13AM (#1022273)

                Apart from what's now West Virginia, how many Union states even had slaves?

                Mostly it was the border states [civildiscourse-historyblog.com]: Kentucky, Missouri, and Maryland had the vast majority, with West Virginia a distant fourth. Aside from that, there were maybe a couple thousand in Delaware, and a handful in New Jersey and in the various Western territories.

                Overall, according to the 1860 census, there were roughly 450,000 slaves in Union states and territories, out of about 4 million in the entire U.S. In other words, the Emancipation Proclamation left roughly 11-12% of the total slaves in the pre-Civil War U.S. enslaved in Union areas because Lincoln couldn't afford to piss off people in the border states and ruin their economies in the middle of the war. And of course, slaves in the South weren't really "freed" by a law that was passed by a "foreign government" to them at the time, so only places where the army liberated slaves were they truly freed (unless they escaped themselves from the South).

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @09:25PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @09:25PM (#1022106)

              Actually, it was in the textbook, and the teacher made a point of talking about it.

          • (Score: 2) by quietus on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:35PM (5 children)

            by quietus (6328) on Wednesday July 15 2020, @01:35PM (#1021893) Journal

            Bold statements require strong proof. Sources please.

            • (Score: 3, Informative) by HiThere on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:29PM (2 children)

              by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:29PM (#1021932) Journal

              Read the original document. It's in English, and isn't too long. My class read it in High School History/Social Studies.

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              • (Score: 2) by quietus on Thursday July 16 2020, @04:08PM (1 child)

                by quietus (6328) on Thursday July 16 2020, @04:08PM (#1022458) Journal
                European. Linky perhaps, and paragraph(s) of interest?
                • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Thursday July 16 2020, @09:51PM

                  by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Thursday July 16 2020, @09:51PM (#1022588) Journal

                  If I understand correctly what your question is, look for text starting with:
                  That the Executive will, on the first day of January aforesaid, by proclamation, designate the States and parts of States, if any, in which the people thereof, respectively, shall then be in rebellion against the United States; and the fact that any State, or the people thereof, shall on that day be, in good faith, represented in the Congress of the United States by

                  from:
                  https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/abraham-lincolns-emancipation-proclamation [battlefields.org]

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            • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @03:15PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @03:15PM (#1021961)

              try again

              over a billion people still believe the bullshit spoken by a camel fucking pedophile centuries ago with no proof

            • (Score: 3, Funny) by Bot on Wednesday July 15 2020, @04:49PM

              by Bot (3902) on Wednesday July 15 2020, @04:49PM (#1021983) Journal

              bold statements require <STRONG> tags

              FTFY

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @10:21PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @10:21PM (#1022124)

            Freeing the slaves was not one of his priorities, despite many of the southern folk acting as if it was.

            Which is the reason he was a member of the Free Soil Party, before joining the newly formed Republicans? What is this, Whig history?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 16 2020, @05:38PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 16 2020, @05:38PM (#1022493)

          If this isn't a troll, you're a brainwashed idiot.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @04:17AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 15 2020, @04:17AM (#1021720)

    Don't let the door hit you on the way out.