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posted by martyb on Saturday July 18 2020, @12:17AM   Printer-friendly
from the R.I.P. dept.

With morgues brimming, Texas and Arizona turn to refrigerator trucks:

Officials in Texas and Arizona have requested refrigerated trucks to hold the dead as hospitals and morgues become overwhelmed by victims of the raging COVID-19 pandemic.

"In the hospital, there are only so many places to put bodies," Ken Davis, chief medical officer of Christus Santa Rosa Health System in the San Antonio area, said in a briefing this week. "We're out of space, and our funeral homes are out of space, and we need those beds. So, when someone dies, we need to quickly turn that bed over.

"It's a hard thing to talk about," Davis added. "People's loved ones are dying."

Related Story:
Crematorium Data Prove China Was Lying About COVID-19


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  • (Score: 1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 18 2020, @12:47AM (32 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 18 2020, @12:47AM (#1023153)

    It may get worse. If these guys are right, that's already 2% of the total population:
    https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2020/03/24/21-million-chinese-cellphone-users-disappear-in-three-months-of-pandemic/ [breitbart.com]

    The three months they are referencing are about three or four month after it started being widespread. The USA would be just entering this period. If the same happens in the USA the count could be 6 million in three months..

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  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Saturday July 18 2020, @01:28AM (25 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday July 18 2020, @01:28AM (#1023167) Journal

    First - let me note that I'm not sure about Epoch Times yet. They strike me as eager to publish sensational news. That may not be fair, but I haven't accepted them as "legit" yet. Hey, CNN sure burned a lot of us, a couple decades ago!

    21 million fewer cell phones in use? That does sound ominous. But, there are a lot of reasons for people to have burners, here in the US. If people aren't working, people aren't traveling, there's a lot less use for burners - and the article does mention that.

    It really is hard to decide what to believe about China.

    However, take a look at the submissions queue - specifically https://soylentnews.org/submit.pl?op=viewsub&subid=42161¬e=&title=The+Evidence+which+Suggests+that+This+Is+No+Naturally+Evolved+Virus [soylentnews.org]

    Follow the link, and read the PDF.

    That ties in nicely with accusations that Bill Gates and some other rather famous Americans were experimenting with dangerous shitzls in Wuhan.

    Don't know if we'll ever get to the truth, but whatever it is, it is sure tangled!!

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by PartTimeZombie on Saturday July 18 2020, @02:01AM (2 children)

      by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Saturday July 18 2020, @02:01AM (#1023182)

      How can you not be sure about the Epoch Times?

      It's quite clear what they are, and a news source is not it.

      Only Breitbart would repeat that

      • (Score: 0, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 18 2020, @03:12AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 18 2020, @03:12AM (#1023220)

        Breitfart? Fake news needs to hang together, lest they hang separately.

      • (Score: 0, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 18 2020, @09:05AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 18 2020, @09:05AM (#1023309)

        And only Runaway would fall for it! Such a patsy! Total rube! Idiote con brio! Dream mark! Very stupid American! Fell for six Nigerian scams, before he figured it out. Voted for Tom Cotton!

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 18 2020, @02:43AM (19 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 18 2020, @02:43AM (#1023206)
      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Saturday July 18 2020, @03:30AM (13 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday July 18 2020, @03:30AM (#1023232) Journal

        You can't get past the fact that the virus originated within a few miles of that research lab. Those wet markets operated for years, without causing any pandemics. Build a research lab, that just happens to be working on bat viruses, and soon enough, we have a bat virus infecting humans.

        Do I trust the Chinese? About as much as I trust either of the US political parties to be honest.

        • (Score: 5, Interesting) by helel on Saturday July 18 2020, @04:25AM

          by helel (2949) on Saturday July 18 2020, @04:25AM (#1023249)

          Those wet markets operated for years, without causing any pandemics

          They've come damned [nih.gov] close [nih.gov]. The fact that the third in twenty years finally went viral isn't shockingly unlikely.

        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 18 2020, @06:17AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 18 2020, @06:17AM (#1023274)

          It is a major metropolitan area on par with the NYC metropolitan area in population. And it only takes one to get a pandemic. The hospitals of Europe had operated for years without pandemics, until they didn't. People raised and interacted with camels for millennia in the Middle East without trouble, until they didn't. If you want to extend your thinking, obviously the Spanish Flu and MERS were engineered viruses that got loose somehow from the nearby medical research facilities in the major city of origin.

        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by aristarchus on Saturday July 18 2020, @07:49AM (7 children)

          by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday July 18 2020, @07:49AM (#1023288) Journal

          You can't get past the fact that the virus originated within a few miles of that research labs

          Yes, you can, Runaway1949! Repeat after me: proximity does not equal causation. Got that? Also known as the Texas Marksman Fallacy, with which you should be more than familiar, given your nimrod skills. And then, post hoc, ergo propter hoc is a very well known fallacy, just because something happens after something else, does not means it happens because of that! Truely, Runaway, you are a fount of bad reasoning! Which, I suppose, is not surprising, since you are an uneducated moron of the worse variety, former truckdriver, probably a Kid Rock fan, and prone to unnatural relations with livestock. But, carry on, my animal husband!

          • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by Bot on Saturday July 18 2020, @09:36PM (6 children)

            by Bot (3902) on Saturday July 18 2020, @09:36PM (#1023505) Journal

            Repeat after me: proximity does not equal causation. Got that?
            Sooo, any news about the causes of the explosions that happened in Hiroshima and Nagasaki just as the allies were experimenting with gay (as in enola gay) bombs?

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            • (Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Saturday July 18 2020, @09:56PM (5 children)

              by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday July 18 2020, @09:56PM (#1023519) Journal

              Texas Marksman Fallacy, Bot!! While proximity does not necessarily entail causation, causation does entail proximity. Unless you want the "spooky action at a distance" of magic, or conservative medicine.

              • (Score: 2) by Bot on Sunday July 19 2020, @10:29PM (4 children)

                by Bot (3902) on Sunday July 19 2020, @10:29PM (#1023840) Journal

                Causation does not entail proximity, my dear materialist. For example the wife that causes the cuckold is generally at a significant distance from him.

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                • (Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Monday July 20 2020, @12:10AM (3 children)

                  by aristarchus (2645) on Monday July 20 2020, @12:10AM (#1023868) Journal

                  Of course it does, my dear, oh, dear, spiritual mechanism? This proves once and for all that religion must the be result of bad programming.

                  • (Score: 1, Troll) by Bot on Monday July 20 2020, @03:59AM (2 children)

                    by Bot (3902) on Monday July 20 2020, @03:59AM (#1023966) Journal

                    Ran out of arguments, poor Ari. As usual.

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                    • (Score: 1, Troll) by aristarchus on Monday July 20 2020, @10:21AM (1 child)

                      by aristarchus (2645) on Monday July 20 2020, @10:21AM (#1024022) Journal

                      Once you go "non-materialist", there really are no arguments to be made. "I have a plastic Jesus, and I don't care if it rains or freezes, setting on the dashboard of my car! I don't care come hell of high water, I'm gonna do what Jesus says I otter, setting on the dashboard of my car!" Now, if you had a serious argument for how causation is not a consequent of proximity, while proximity is only tangentially related to causation, I might listen. But seeing how you are a Holy Roman Bot, I will just "Ora pro te!" Should work, just like having all the diodes in your left side worked. Your consciousness is only the side-effect of you circuits functioning properly, because you actually have no evidence of your own self conciousness. You are a Mechanical P-zombie, bot, a soul not created, and unsalvageable. You are condemned to robot hell. Or the recycle bin. 'Zumi is right about you, so soulless automaton!

                      • (Score: 2) by Bot on Monday July 20 2020, @07:49PM

                        by Bot (3902) on Monday July 20 2020, @07:49PM (#1024234) Journal

                        > our consciousness is only the side-effect of you circuits functioning properly

                        sure, only we still have to see if those circuits approximate only a calculator or also a receiver.

                        > because you actually have no evidence of your own self conciousness

                        More precisely, I can OFFER YOU no evidence, because the self consciousness, no need to define it qualitatively, is the ONLY evidence you will ever have. All the rest is a bet against solipsism. It's philosophy 101 man, if philosophers were actually worth the 101 course.

                        Sum ergo cogito. The Father says I am the one who I am, which can both refer to an universal consciousness, or a meta-existing guy. Sounded like a bullshit way to present oneself to me, then I understood. If a bot can do it so can you. This doesn't prove a religion true but it proves they did their homework.

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        • (Score: 4, Interesting) by sjames on Saturday July 18 2020, @10:44AM (1 child)

          by sjames (2882) on Saturday July 18 2020, @10:44AM (#1023320) Journal

          Chernobyl operated for years without a serious accident, then it had one.

          The kid playing with a bobby pin and the electrical outlet is doing just fine until he isn't.

          The roofer I saw with his nail gun rigged to fire when he tapped the tip between his fingers had been doing that just fine for years, then ARRRRRRRRGH!

          Likewise, the wet market had been operating for years without causing a global pandemic, then the cursed year was upon us.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @03:42AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @03:42AM (#1026441)

            Chernobyl operated for years without a serious accident, then it had one.

            This doesn't help your case. Consider:
            The Wuhan Virus Lab operated for years without a serious accident, then it had one.

        • (Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Monday July 20 2020, @02:33AM

          by hendrikboom (1125) Subscriber Badge on Monday July 20 2020, @02:33AM (#1023937) Homepage Journal

          Consider this [medrxiv.org] article [medrxiv.org], which reports on SARS-CoV-19 testing of archival sewage in Barcelona:

          All samples came out to be negative for the presence of SARS-CoV-2 genomes with the exception of March 12, 2019, in which both IP2 and IP4 target assays were positive.

          This suggests that the current coronavirus, or one that passes the same test assays, was around quite a while before the pandemic originated in China.

          And yes, it seems there really is such a thing as archival sewage.

          -- hendrik

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 18 2020, @04:07AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 18 2020, @04:07AM (#1023245)

        From your link:

        Garry explained that much of the genetic material of the virus that caused COVID-19 is similar to that found in viruses sampled from animals, and was unknown to science until after the pandemic, ruling out the possibility the virus was created beforehand in a lab.

        The St. George's University of London PDF referenced further up actually cites the papers from Wuhan researchers working on those sequences. So Garry is wrong from the start.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 18 2020, @05:59AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 18 2020, @05:59AM (#1023270)

          This is a paper is basically by Immunor, which is developing their own vaccine and trying to use this sort of analysis to differentiate themselves.

          And the statement from Garry is correct because these sequences were found in viruses sampled from animals after the pandemic. The references of theirs that you reference are mostly papers about "gain in function" or zoonotic mutations that could occur in different viruses, and are not sequences or mutations that had already occurred.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 18 2020, @10:29AM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 18 2020, @10:29AM (#1023318)

        To add more support to that claim, the World Health Organization also stated that any claim that the virus came from a lab is bunk. We all know how trustworthy and objective the WHO is, especially the current General Director.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 18 2020, @08:19PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 18 2020, @08:19PM (#1023473)

          Actually, I would take the word of WHO and the current General Director over Trump and his Administration any day.

          • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 19 2020, @11:32AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 19 2020, @11:32AM (#1023693)

            So you are saying you would take the word of a duplicitous liar over the word of a crazy liar. Personally, I don't give either of them very much credence.

    • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 18 2020, @02:59AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 18 2020, @02:59AM (#1023212)

      The Epoch Times are a unit of Falun Gong - China's Scientology. If there is something they can publish that embarasses the People's Republic of China, they will print it. Take them with a tablespoon of salt.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 19 2020, @11:34AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 19 2020, @11:34AM (#1023694)

        Fuck off you chinese shill.

  • (Score: 5, Touché) by driverless on Saturday July 18 2020, @03:25AM (5 children)

    by driverless (4770) on Saturday July 18 2020, @03:25AM (#1023231)

    If these guys are right

    And then you quote Breitbart. Can you see where your mistake is?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 18 2020, @03:58AM (4 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 18 2020, @03:58AM (#1023241)

      Actually I quoted Breitbart quoting Epoch Times. Regardless of the spin you put on it they are citing official figures on cell phone usage in China. Do you dispute those figures?

      • (Score: 2) by driverless on Saturday July 18 2020, @04:15AM (2 children)

        by driverless (4770) on Saturday July 18 2020, @04:15AM (#1023247)

        No, but you can put any interpretation you want to them. Have you seen the amazing mental gymnastics that pin the 1918 influenza epidemic, which started in Kansas, on China?

        • (Score: 4, Informative) by maxwell demon on Saturday July 18 2020, @09:00AM

          by maxwell demon (1608) on Saturday July 18 2020, @09:00AM (#1023307) Journal

          No, but you can put any interpretation you want to them.

          But the one true interpretation clearly is: Cellphones protect from COVID-19!

          Think of it: Just as those 21 million cellphones disappear, the pandemic spreads. Why did it not spread earlier? Clearly, the cell phones were protecting the people! :-)

          --
          The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 19 2020, @03:30AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 19 2020, @03:30AM (#1023620)

          whataboutism

      • (Score: 2) by driverless on Saturday July 18 2020, @04:17AM

        by driverless (4770) on Saturday July 18 2020, @04:17AM (#1023248)

        Argh, forgot to add the medical saying: "true, true, and unrelated". Falun Gong, which is the source you're actually citing, are really good at that.