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With No Final Say, Trump Wants To Change Who Counts For Dividing Up Congress' Seats:
President Trump released a memorandum Tuesday that calls for an unprecedented change to the constitutionally mandated count of every person living in the country — the exclusion of unauthorized immigrants from the numbers used to divide up seats in Congress among the states.
The memo instructs Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross, who oversees the Commerce Department, to include in the legally required report of census results to the president "information permitting the President, to the extent practicable" to leave out the number of immigrants living in the U.S. without authorization from the apportionment count.
But the move by the president, who does not have final authority over the census, is more likely to spur legal challenges and political spectacle in the last months before this year's presidential election than a transformation of the once-a-decade head count, which has been disrupted by the coronavirus pandemic.
[...] Since the first U.S. census in 1790, both U.S. citizens and noncitizens — regardless of immigration status — have been included in the country's official population counts.
The fifth sentence of the Constitution specifies that "persons" residing in the states should be counted every 10 years to determine each state's share of seats in the House of Representatives. The 14th Amendment, which ended the counting of an enslaved person as "three fifths" of a free person, goes further to require the counting of the "whole number of persons in each state."
It is Congress — not the president — that Article 1, Section 2 of the country's founding document empowers to carry out the "actual enumeration" of the country's population in "such manner as they shall by law direct."
In Title 2 of the U.S. Code, Congress detailed its instructions for the president to report to lawmakers the tally of the "whole number of persons" living in each state for the reapportionment of House seats. In Title 13, Congress established additional key dates for the "tabulation of total population."
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 24 2020, @11:57AM (9 children)
It's fascism, plain and simple. A relatively small chunk of the population, but one that has for whatever reason near 100% representation in the media, has been trying to increasingly aggressively impose their world view in the US. Any imagery that goes against this world view must be toppled and destroyed. Any language that does not support the view must be rewritten and reformed. Any action, no matter how extreme, that supports the worldview is acceptable. Any action that opposes the worldview, no matter how logical, must be aggressively snuffed out. And, worst of all, any person that goes against this world view, regardless of reason or justification, must be destroyed.
The issue is it's being largely driven by indoctrinated young individuals who simply don't know any better. They have been led to believe that if you believe [insert list of DNC talking points] that you can't be fascist. Indeed even if you look at places such as Wiki they now describe fascism as: "Opposed to liberalism, Marxism, and anarchism, fascism is placed on the far right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[4][5][6]". Yet if people so chose to do so they could peruse the Fascist Manifesto [wikipedia.org]. That was the booklet of ideas upon which Mussolini built up the original Fascist party from which the contemporary usage of the term originates. And if anybody reads that page they might quickly realize that Fascism has fuck all to do with "far right" and all this nonsense. That entire booklet is something near 100% of DNC voters (and a good chunk of GOP) would happily endorse. They're good ideas. Fascism has nothing to do with your ideology but everything to do with your behavior. And this sort of rewriting language, destroying statues, destroying the lives of anybody who disagrees with you, calling violent rioters peaceful protesters, and all of this other bullshit is plan and simple 100% fascism.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Friday July 24 2020, @12:50PM
You can't base the ideology of a group like Fascists on public manifestos. They lie about everything, particularly promises, and those promises are pretty generic promises. The only real differences between Fascists and Communists of that time were that the Fascists would preserve in crippled, highly controlled form, existing systems like militaries, religions, and businesses, while the Communists would wholesale replace those with their own versions. Propaganda would then evolve to support those choices and these ideologies would attempt to take over other countries with the same themed tricks. My take is that's how Fascists became "right wing" and Communists became "left wing".
Those differences don't matter much. Both quickly devolved to absolute state power. And once you get there, it really doesn't matter how it happened.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 24 2020, @02:27PM (6 children)
>It's fascism,
Now, I don't want to scare you. But fascism is everywhere [wikipedia.org]!!!11!1 Especially around that notorious fascist Abraham Lincoln.
Spooky. I know.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 24 2020, @04:43PM (5 children)
Suspending habeas corpus was a pretty fascist thing to do. Lincoln may have preserved the integrity of the country, but I understand why
Hollywoodtheatre star Booth did what he did.(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 24 2020, @05:09PM (4 children)
During a civil war to free slaves. Such an ass hole. Extreme circumstances demanded extreme measures.
>but I understand why theatre star Booth did what he did.
Booth being butt hurt that his side lost using violence during a declared peace in an attempt to force his ideology save hell or high water. Sounds rather familiar to antifa thugs. What's even more pathetic is that the South, accepting their lose, did not herald Booth as a hero that Booth thought he was. Booth was hated for what he had done and died as a traitor to the South and the North.
You know happened after Lincoln was assassinated? Andrew Johnson, a Democrat, assumed office and stymied the Republican effort of Reconstruction and Emancipation.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 24 2020, @08:49PM (3 children)
The war was not to free slaves. That was just a convenience for the side that happened to win. Not saying that freeing the slaves should not have happened, but let's at least not lie to ourselves about the motives there.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 24 2020, @11:57PM (2 children)
That's a lie and you know it's a lie. Read The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States numbnuts.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 25 2020, @12:25PM (1 child)
The south was fighting to keep their slaves, the north was fighting to keep the south. North didn't care about slavery except as a military and political lever.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 25 2020, @04:25PM
And of course Missouri, Maryland, Kentucky and Delaware remained under the authority of the North, but kept slavery until the 13th Amendment was adopted. Did West Virginia too after they seceded from Virginia? If I recall correctly, the Emancipation Proclamation only applied to "states in rebellion".
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 25 2020, @08:34AM
From the Wikipedia (not "Wiki") page on the Facist Manifesto you link to:
Fascism isn't considered to be far right because of the original manifesto but because of what it turned into. Mussolini initially tried to "out-socialist the socialists" to gain power but that had little in common with the nationalist and corporatist dictatorship he subsequently established. As Mussolini kept calling that fascism he redefined the term himself, and that is what it refers to today.