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posted by Fnord666 on Friday July 24 2020, @06:07PM   Printer-friendly
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Space Force unveils logo, 'Semper Supra' motto - SpaceNews:

The U.S. Space Force revealed its new logo and motto as the service seeks to build branding and cultural identity.

The black-and-silver service logo unveiled July 22 has the delta wing as its central element that is also found in the Space Force seal and flag. There is a "Space Force" horizontally shaped logo and a USSF vertical logo.

The Space Force motto "Semper Supra" means "always above." It represents the service's role in establishing, maintaining and preserving U.S. freedom of operations in the ultimate high ground, a Space Force spokesman said.

The logo was designed by the Department of the Air Force's advertising agency GSD&M.


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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 24 2020, @06:32PM (21 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 24 2020, @06:32PM (#1025881)

    I hope (for many many many reasons, actually) that Biden wins, and if he does, I hope this whole idea just withers away like it never happened. The whole idea, from it's inception, motivation, need, everything, it is just so embarrassing. It's only purpose is to appease one idiot's ego, give something of substance for another idiot to feel like he left his mark, and gives an AF general the opportunity to get to sit at the grown ups table (Joint Chief's), so he REALLY wants this to happen (also for ego reasons).

    The rest of this is just a burden on everyone below, and it will have the same streamline efficiency that standing up the Dept of Homeland Security did, meaning that it will cause budgets to explode as armies of middle-managers are brought in to "efficiently" manage and coordinate a whole lot of stuff that was already being addressed and managed just fine.

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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 24 2020, @06:45PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 24 2020, @06:45PM (#1025886)

    While I'm with you regarding the level of idiocy of the current (2016-2020) occupant of the white house (using this [wikipedia.org] definition); I honestly don't think this is something that would have been created regardless of whether it was orange buffoon or hated lady in there. It's something the military has (legitimately) asked for for a long time now. Even hated lady would have moved forward with this.
    And while I share your hope that Biden wins, this won't be abolished under Biden, nor should it.

    Now, onward, upward... and go here to make a change in your world: https://www.usa.gov/register-to-vote [usa.gov] ; and if you're already registered, make sure others who aren't yet, become registered, because we have a country to rescue!

    • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Friday July 24 2020, @08:47PM (1 child)

      by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Friday July 24 2020, @08:47PM (#1025930) Journal

      Perhaps, but that blatant pandering to prickism should be eliminated. There's a reasonable job for them to do, but macho posturing isn't a reasonable part of it. I'd have preferred a nice simple traditional motto, like "Ad astra". (And I'm *NOT* making a reference to any movie. The traditional phrase is "ad astra per aspira", and is hopeful rather than threatening. http://proverbhunter.com/through-hardship-to-the-stars/ [proverbhunter.com] -- though reinterpreted in a slightly more literal way as "to the stars lead by hope".)

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      • (Score: 1) by RandomFactor on Friday July 24 2020, @09:19PM

        by RandomFactor (3682) Subscriber Badge on Friday July 24 2020, @09:19PM (#1025954) Journal

        Space is hard. Ad astra, per aspirin

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  • (Score: 1) by PaperNoodle on Friday July 24 2020, @06:57PM (1 child)

    by PaperNoodle (10908) on Friday July 24 2020, @06:57PM (#1025887)

    >withers away like it never happened.

    Setting aside Trump his ego and that whole quagmire. I don't think, even if Biden wins, that this will go away. It's been in the works since at least Clinton in the late 90's. Especially as launch costs per kilogram come down through reusable rockets means more economic input and more attack vectors from a potential adversary. Biden might rename it or do some kind of restructuring to claim he undid what Trump did but the effective "Space Force" will still be the same. The US military will still hold full-spectrum supremacy and the management of space assets and threat assessment will still occur.

    Personally, I think it makes sense from an organizational stand point to be somewhat separate as well as from a budgeting point.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 25 2020, @09:36AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 25 2020, @09:36AM (#1026119)

      The US military will still hold full-spectrum supremacy

      You're exceptionally delusional, the only kind of American exceptionalism that holds true today.

  • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by EvilSS on Friday July 24 2020, @07:00PM (9 children)

    by EvilSS (1456) Subscriber Badge on Friday July 24 2020, @07:00PM (#1025888)
    So, what is your theory on why the Democrat controlled House of Representatives voted to create Space Force? To appease Trump's ego? Seems like an odd thing for them to do. Or, did you think the president had the power to create a new military branch all by themselves? Do you believe EVERYTHING Trump tells you or just this one instance?
    • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday July 24 2020, @07:43PM (8 children)

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Friday July 24 2020, @07:43PM (#1025898) Journal

      Because it was a rider on the act that funds our military... [wikipedia.org]

      Were they supposed to defund the military to prevent it?

      • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 24 2020, @08:14PM (5 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 24 2020, @08:14PM (#1025913)

        Good point - Obama's Dems had 8 years to stop bombing brown people and still haven't changed their tune.

        • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Friday July 24 2020, @08:49PM (2 children)

          by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Friday July 24 2020, @08:49PM (#1025932) Journal

          And that's a valid point. Both sides are rotten. But the Republicans are worse...unless you're already a rich man. (Even then Trump is arguably worse.)

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 24 2020, @09:09PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 24 2020, @09:09PM (#1025948)

            > Republicans are worse...unless you're already a rich man

            The "republicans are for the party of the rich" is a bit dated. It's more accurate to say that democrates [dailywire.com] are the party for the rich [forbes.com]

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 25 2020, @03:53PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 25 2020, @03:53PM (#1026175)

            Republicans are worse than the party that shall not be named? [thehill.com]

        • (Score: 1, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Friday July 24 2020, @09:07PM (1 child)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday July 24 2020, @09:07PM (#1025947) Journal

          B b b b but! If a dark brown man is bombing brown men, it isn't RACISM, is it?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 24 2020, @09:28PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 24 2020, @09:28PM (#1025958)

            Dark? Obama is a light skinned yellow (in the AA parlance) guy, not at all dark.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 25 2020, @01:17AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 25 2020, @01:17AM (#1026041)

        I thought all money bills originate with the House. How was it not their decision to include it?

      • (Score: 2) by EvilSS on Sunday July 26 2020, @05:43PM

        by EvilSS (1456) Subscriber Badge on Sunday July 26 2020, @05:43PM (#1026656)
        Yes, they hold up the bill until the rider is removed. That's how it works.
  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by leon_the_cat on Friday July 24 2020, @07:47PM

    by leon_the_cat (10052) on Friday July 24 2020, @07:47PM (#1025900) Journal

    No you are completely wrong. As posted already this has been in the works for some time, it's nothing new and is just a split off program from air force. Anyway I'll leave you to have your two minute hate.

  • (Score: 2) by mhajicek on Friday July 24 2020, @09:58PM (1 child)

    by mhajicek (51) on Friday July 24 2020, @09:58PM (#1025975)

    IMO, we should be going the opposite direction. Future battlefields will evolve over hours or minutes, rather than months or days. We need complete coordination between all involved forces, with rapid and efficient communication and decision making. That would benefit greatly from merging the forces rather than further dividing them.

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    • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday July 25 2020, @09:41AM

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Saturday July 25 2020, @09:41AM (#1026122) Journal

      We need complete coordination between all involved forces, with rapid and efficient communication and decision making.

      Rely on that and you'll have a complete meltdown when your communication is cut or jammed.
      Much cheaper for the attacker to cause you troubles than for you to maintain real-time large bandwidth communication.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 25 2020, @06:11AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 25 2020, @06:11AM (#1026095)

    Are you learning Madarin yet? Don't want that to catch you by surprise when your dreams are fullfilled.

  • (Score: 2) by takyon on Saturday July 25 2020, @10:48AM

    by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Saturday July 25 2020, @10:48AM (#1026127) Journal

    The Space Force was not President Trump's idea, although he did latch onto it. At this point, the Space Force pseudo-branch will be with us for decades to come.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Space_Force#Independence_(2019%E2%80%93present) [wikipedia.org]

    The idea of an independent service for U.S. military space operations had been under consideration since 2000. The Commission to Assess United States National Security Space Management and Organization, chaired by former secretary of defense Donald Rumsfeld and composed of a number of military, space, and intelligence professionals, was set up to examine the national security space organization of the United States. The commission itself concluded that the military needed to develop space–specific doctrine, operations concepts, and capabilities – including the development and deployment of space–based weapons. The Space Commission came to the conclusion that the Air Force treated space operations as a secondary mission in comparison to air operations, and recommended the creation of a space corps within the Department of the Air Force, and in the long term, creating a military department for space.

    In 2017, a bipartisan proposal to create the U.S. Space Corps, as a military service within the Department of the Air Force, was put forward by Representatives Mike Rogers and Jim Cooper. This was done specifically due to the realization that the Air Force's space mission had become a secondary concern in contrast with the air dominance mission. The proposal passed in the House of Representatives, but was cut from the final bill in negotiations with the U.S. Senate.

    The proposal gained new life when President Donald Trump first publicly spoke about an independent space force during a March 2018 speech.

    Why the military's Space Corps isn't dead yet [thehill.com] (2017)

    Congress will not create a new branch of the military dedicated to space this year, but lawmakers who support the move and defense experts say it’s only a matter of time.

    [...] “This issue is not dead at all. Congress laid the ground work for this to come back up in future years,” said Todd Harrison, defense budget analyst and director of the Aerospace Security Project at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. “I think [Space Corps] is inevitable, as in within my lifetime.”

    The House version of the NDAA would have created a separate branch of the military dedicated to space known as Space Corps. Though the concept elicited jokes about galactic battles against aliens, lawmakers were eyeing more familiar, terrestrial threats, namely Russia and China.

    Advocates for reorganizing the military’s space operations say the United States is lagging behind its adversaries in that area. Russia and China have already made moves to spin off their space operations into separate military branches.

    But the White House, Pentagon and the Senate fiercely opposed the Space Corps plan. They acknowledged the United States needs to do better in space, but said creating a new military branch would be premature and could just add more bureaucracy that ultimately hinders the military’s space operations.

    To that end, the Senate inserted an amendment into its version of the NDAA that would have banned Space Corps.

    The House and Senate compromise version passed this week and awaiting President Trump’s expected signature instead requires the deputy secretary of Defense to contract a federally funded research and development corporation not associated with the Air Force to study the possibility of creating a space military branch in the future.

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