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posted by martyb on Sunday July 26 2020, @09:36AM   Printer-friendly
from the Narco-Narcissis dept.

More interesting science from PsyPost,

New research has found that people with "dark" personality characteristics, such as psychopathy and narcissism, are less likely to comply with efforts to impede the spread of the novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 and more likely to stockpile goods such as food and toilet paper.

Two new studies, both published in the journal Personality and Individual Differences, reinforce previous findings that the "Dark Triad" of narcissism, psychopathy, and Machiavellianism is associated with ignoring preventative COVID-19 measures.

But the new research indicates that health beliefs and situational perceptions may play a more important role than personality traits alone.

Dark Enlightenment, or Dark Triads?

Journal References:
Bartlomiej Nowak, Pawel Brzoska, Jarosław Piotrowski, et al. Adaptive and maladaptive behavior during the COVID-19 pandemic: The roles of Dark Triad traits, collective narcissism, and health beliefs, Personality and Individual Differences (DOI: 10.1016/j.paid.2020.110232)

Marcin Zajenkowski, Peter K. Jonason, Maria Leniarska, et al. Who complies with the restrictions to reduce the spread of COVID-19?: Personality and perceptions of the COVID-19 situation [open], Personality and Individual Differences (DOI: 10.1016/j.paid.2020.110199)


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @11:28AM (35 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @11:28AM (#1026531)

    Uhm ... so then they aren't effective for non-healthcare providers but they are effective for healthcare providers?

    BTW, I do wear a cloth mask so I'm not saying that we should waste surgical masks for non-healthcare providers. Just that I'm not so sure that masks, in general, are ineffective. Though I do think they can possibly restrict breathing, increasing CO2 levels, which probably isn't good for us. It seems like the body tries to compensate by increasing heart rate very slightly to keep O2 levels normal so at the least they do add a little bit of stress to the body (doesn't seem like that much for a healthy person). That's why I'm selective about when I wear them and when I should cover both my nose and mouth (since I breathe through my nose) and when I should only cover my mouth but that's not to say we shouldn't wear them.

    For instance if I'm talking in close proximity to someone else at the store I would definitely wear it (if I'm inside a public building like a store I generally wear a mask regardless because I'm around objects that I can possibly spread the virus onto and I would expect others to wear masks to prevent them from spreading the virus onto objects I can touch. I try not to stay inside public buildings for long though) and would appreciate it if others would do the same as we tend to spit when we talk. If I'm outside in the open and there is absolutely no one around me I won't wear it as there is no need.

    BTW, I've always been a germaphobe even before the Coronavirus. I hate wearing a mask (another reason is I don't like breathing in the warm air I just breathed out) even though I'm in good health but life is about balance and weighing the pros and cons and I think we should try to strike the right balance between selectively using masks when necessary to prevent infections from spreading and backing off them when they aren't necessary like if we are outside and no one is around us. I do think masks could be part of the equation towards slowing down the virus along with social distancing. If I am walking on the sidewalk in a residential street and I see someone ahead of me coming in the opposite direction and there are no cars in the street I would walk into the street to get around them for instance and keep a big distance. I never really liked being close to people anyways, even before the virus, because I'm a germaphobe. The only thing the virus has changed for me is the fact that now I have to wear this mask and I hate wearing it but I understand that selectively wearing it can help slow the virus.

  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @11:35AM (13 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @11:35AM (#1026533)

    The main health risk from masks is you are getting less exposure to everything, not just SARS2. It's basically the same as not getting a suntan puts you at higher risk of sunburn and skin cancer if you do get exposed to the sun later.

    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday July 26 2020, @12:31PM (12 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday July 26 2020, @12:31PM (#1026544) Journal

      The main health risk from masks is you are getting less exposure to everything, not just SARS2.

      Which is only a problem if you ever get exposed to "everything" later. If you don't, then it's not. We don't, for example, need to repeatedly expose people to small pox so that they don't catch it later!

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @04:55PM (11 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @04:55PM (#1026621)

        Better never lapse in your mask wearing for the rest of your life, it could become a deadly mistake. Just like people who dilligently hide from the sun then stop to talk to their neighbor for 15 min when taking out the trash, oops skin cancer.

        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday July 26 2020, @05:27PM (10 children)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday July 26 2020, @05:27PM (#1026639) Journal

          Just like people who dilligently hide from the sun then stop to talk to their neighbor for 15 min when taking out the trash, oops skin cancer.

          That's stupid. You're not going to get that kind of burn damage from 15 minutes of exposure.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @06:03PM (8 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @06:03PM (#1026669)

            > The sun’s ultraviolet (UV) rays can damage your skin in as little as 15 minutes.

            https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/skin/basic_info/sun-safety.htm [cdc.gov]

            And people with no tan are damaged easier than on average.

            • (Score: 2, Informative) by khallow on Sunday July 26 2020, @06:47PM (7 children)

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday July 26 2020, @06:47PM (#1026687) Journal
              Doubling down, I see. You don't consider how much skin damage you can receive from achieving and indefinitely maintaining that tan.
              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @07:26PM (5 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @07:26PM (#1026703)

                How is correcting your wrong facts doubling down?

                • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday July 26 2020, @10:31PM (4 children)

                  by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday July 26 2020, @10:31PM (#1026824) Journal

                  How is correcting your wrong facts doubling down?

                  Let's start with the problem that they aren't wrong. Consider what it takes to maintain a tan for a lifetime. You're speaking of hours of exposure every week. And all that to prevent an inadvertent 15 minute exposure while pale white - a serious harm to prevent a much lesser one. The same problem exists with the idea of cultivating herd immunity by repeated exposure to a deadly disease rather than just not doing that, saving many lives in the process.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 27 2020, @12:01AM (3 children)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 27 2020, @12:01AM (#1026856)

                    You will get "that type" of burn damage from 15 min in the sun according to the cdc. Can you admit you were wrong?

                    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday July 27 2020, @01:05AM (2 children)

                      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday July 27 2020, @01:05AM (#1026889) Journal

                      You will get "that type" of burn damage from 15 min in the sun according to the cdc.

                      The CDC did not say that! Recall the actual quote:

                      The sun’s ultraviolet (UV) rays can damage your skin in as little as 15 minutes.

                      Can damage your skin is not a huge risk factor for skin cancer. Baking yourself for decades to keep that tan is a huge risk factor.

                      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 27 2020, @04:54AM (1 child)

                        by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 27 2020, @04:54AM (#1026966)

                        I guess we shouldnt worry about 15 min in tbe sun then. Even though the cdc advises against it.

                        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday July 27 2020, @12:34PM

                          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday July 27 2020, @12:34PM (#1027039) Journal

                          I guess we shouldnt worry about 15 min in tbe sun then.

                          Well, we shouldn't worry about it to the point that we cause far more damage than we cure. Same goes with turning children into disease incubators. You propose a lifetime of harm to prevent a minor harm.

              • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Sunday July 26 2020, @09:19PM

                by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Sunday July 26 2020, @09:19PM (#1026768)

                You know how much I love arguing with you. I suppose I should back you up when I think you're right, but there's no point with our resident flat earth A/C.

                He believes some incredibly crazy things it's no surprise he has bought into the anti mask nonsense.

                Wait until he tells you how Bill Gates is injecting people with 5G so everyone gets Covid-19.

          • (Score: 2) by deimtee on Monday July 27 2020, @05:41PM

            by deimtee (3272) on Monday July 27 2020, @05:41PM (#1027203) Journal

            Depends where you are. Noon, clear day, I have gotten sunburnt in less than than 15 minutes. But then I live in southern AU, and the ozone hole occasionally spreads this way.

            The rest of his theory is bullshit though.

            --
            If you cough while drinking cheap red wine it really cleans out your sinuses.
  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @12:03PM (20 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @12:03PM (#1026534)

    Restricted breathing argument with these facemasks is pure bs
    I've trained, worked, and worn s10 respirators. The real deal chem, bio, radiological rated things. These DO restrict breathing, particularly if you're doing physical work. Which I've done. How many time did I or anyone else collapse from lack of oxygen?
    Zero, that's how many. Your body is pretty damn good at self regulating and telling you to stop working so hard If it's not getting enough oxygen.
    The facemasks you're all complaining about though? Yeah, Right. Get off my lawn.

    • (Score: 0, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @01:43PM (4 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @01:43PM (#1026562)

      I think there is a difference between saying that the masks will cause you to collapse due to lack of oxygen and saying that they can have health drawbacks.

      Saying that they aren't bad for you because they don't cause you to collapse due to a lack of oxygen is like saying that one bottle of beer a day is not bad for you because it doesn't cause you to collapse due to alcohol poisoning. The fact that something may be reasonably tolerated doesn't mean it doesn't add any stress to your body whatsoever.

      and, before the whole coronavirus thing there was a study that showed that CO2 does affect cognitive abilities.

      CO2 Affects our Thinking

      "Participants who worked in the elevated CO2 levels were found to have significant difficulty with their decision making abilities and thinking capabilities. The cognitive scores of participants in the Green building were 61% higher than the participants in the conventional buildings and the participants in the Green + building had cognitive skills as high as 101%."
      https://medium.com/wedonthavetime/co2-affects-our-thinking-93c016bcc74d [medium.com]

      But of course elevated CO2 levels only affect thinking when it comes to our need to reduce CO2 emissions but it has absolutely no impact when it comes to wearing a mask, am I right? Can't have it both ways.

      and to say that the masks don't increase your CO2 intake any is also wrong. I've seen all of those Youtube comments of people trying to make that argument back and fourth and my simple answer that never gets mentioned, from physics 101, is that effusion is slower than diffusion. It's very basic undeniable physics. Reducing the surface area with which the CO2 can escape will decrease the rate at which it can and does escape. There is no arguing that point.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @02:01PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @02:01PM (#1026568)

        Or, instead of beer, since that is allegedly controversial, you can replace beer with cigarettes. Because one cigarette a day may be tolerable doesn't mean that it's not bad for you whatsoever and doesn't add stress to your body.

      • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Sunday July 26 2020, @09:21PM (2 children)

        by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Sunday July 26 2020, @09:21PM (#1026769)

        Redundant? Where's our -1 Stupid mod?

        • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday July 26 2020, @09:23PM

          A mod valid for 50% of comments, given our varied perspectives, isn't a useful mod.

          --
          My rights don't end where your fear begins.
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 27 2020, @12:33PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 27 2020, @12:33PM (#1027038)

          I am not saying that wearing a mask is as bad for you or worse than drinking one beer and smoking one cigarette a day. Maybe I should have been a bit more clear on that.

          I'm just pointing out that just because something is tolerable doesn't mean that it's not bad for you.

          I'm also not saying that people shouldn't wear masks. Just that everything is about balance and compromise. We should wear them when appropriate to slow the viral spread but there is still a possibility it can have negative health effects.

          Sorry if I wasn't clear enough.

    • (Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Sunday July 26 2020, @03:24PM (6 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday July 26 2020, @03:24PM (#1026590) Journal

      You didn't wear your respirator 8, 12, or more hours per day, for months on end. I urinate on your lawn.

      • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @08:03PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @08:03PM (#1026722)

        Boomers belong in prison. Round up all you insane narcissistic pieces of shit at your entitled Boomer Hour and throw you in prison where you belong.

      • (Score: 2) by Codesmith on Monday July 27 2020, @04:44PM (4 children)

        by Codesmith (5811) on Monday July 27 2020, @04:44PM (#1027167)

        Well, I have worn a respirator for 5, 8 and 12 hours. Several times I've worn one for several days straight, whilst in full NBCW gear digging a fighting position and occupying it. All because some figwit thought it would be amusing to pop a half dozen CS grenades around our position while we had a thermal inversion and low wind period. Survived it with no problems other than a poor attitude.

        Piss somewhere else pal. Besides, aren't you old enough to be wearing Depends™ these days?

        --
        Pro utilitate hominum.
        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday July 27 2020, @05:42PM (3 children)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday July 27 2020, @05:42PM (#1027205) Journal

          Salutes for doing what had to be done.

          However, the question is less "Is it possible for a healthy military age male to keep a respirator on for days on end?" than it is "How does wearing a respirator for extended periods of time affect your health?"

          And, no, Depends aren't part of my wardrobe, thank you very much.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 27 2020, @06:48PM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 27 2020, @06:48PM (#1027238)

            Runaway is had, once again! You would think he would learn.

            • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday July 27 2020, @07:13PM (1 child)

              by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday July 27 2020, @07:13PM (#1027250) Journal

              Ummmm, no. Did you actually read his post, and mine? He survived wearing a respirator days on end, with no worse effects than being thoroughly pissed off. Combat zone. Healthy male of military age - that is, a man at the peak of his health and stamina. He survived with no ill effects. But, not all of us are healthy males of military age, at the peak of health, strength, and stamina. Think about that for awhile. Elsewhere in these discussions, health workers have complained of headaches, nausea, and more, wearing less confining respirators and masks than an NBC respirator found in a combat zone.

              • (Score: 3, Touché) by Codesmith on Tuesday July 28 2020, @01:44AM

                by Codesmith (5811) on Tuesday July 28 2020, @01:44AM (#1027457)

                Well, I think you misunderstood me. I still wear respirators these days, usually when I'm painting projects in my basement. I could still wear one for the day if I had to, and I'm notably older and less fit, but I also don't drink and smoke like I did at the time.

                And I have seen no reputable reports of health risks to wearers from N95 or procedural masks. If you are so damn short of breath from a procedural mask, get a supplementary O2 kit and don't go out in public!

                --
                Pro utilitate hominum.
    • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday July 26 2020, @07:47PM (7 children)

      You'll pay my medical bills when, not if, I pass out from not enough O2 or too much CO2 while shopping for groceries then? Until I see proof of a bond for at least $25K for that purpose, I'm going to keep telling them I have a medical condition that prevents me wearing a mask and that the ADA says they can't require me to tell them which one.

      --
      My rights don't end where your fear begins.
      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @08:29PM (5 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @08:29PM (#1026741)

        Why should we foot the bill for the consequences of a life-long pack-a-day cigarette habit? Personal Responsibility, Buzzbard! Your lack of lung capacity is not our problem, even if it is the law to wear a mask. Or is this like Ayn Rand going on Social Security and Medicare?

        • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @09:07PM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @09:07PM (#1026756)

          Don't feed the troll, he just wants to see your angry insults as he laughs. He may be stupid but he ain't THAT stupid.

          PS: buzzlardo is one of those spinless fools who has no real convictions beyond "muh gunz" and "don't tread on ME*"

          * but on THEM is fine

        • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday July 26 2020, @09:16PM

          ADA, bitch. If I gotta put up with that stupid-ass law, so do you.

          --
          My rights don't end where your fear begins.
      • (Score: 2) by Codesmith on Monday July 27 2020, @04:36PM

        by Codesmith (5811) on Monday July 27 2020, @04:36PM (#1027164)

        And the cool part of this is that I live in a place with actual laws. So you don't have to wear a mask, and I'm happy for you. Now get out of my establishment, because a medical condition isn't a protected class.

        Away you go, shoo!

        And don't come back unless you are going to wear one. Mind even then, I may just bar you from ever entering again.

        --
        Pro utilitate hominum.