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posted by martyb on Tuesday July 28 2020, @08:18AM   Printer-friendly
from the speedy-recovery dept.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/07/22/error-tricare-tells-600k-beneficiaries-theyve-had-covid-19.html:

More than 600,000 people in Tricare, a health care program of the United States Department of Defense Military Health System, received emails July 17 asking if they would donate blood for research as "survivors of COVID-19."

But just 31,000 people affiliated with the U.S. military have been officially diagnosed with the coronavirus, which prompted confusion, Military.com reported last week.

"Just wondering [if] anybody [got] an email from Tricare saying since you are a COVID survivor, please donate your plasma.?? I have NOT been tested," wrote a beneficiary on Facebook. "Just remember all those people inputting data are human and make mistakes."

The mass email went to every beneficiary located near a collection point.


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  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday July 29 2020, @12:25PM (6 children)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday July 29 2020, @12:25PM (#1028079) Journal

    how much higher do you think that number can go before all the "great things unfairly kept from the market" by 2016's FDA policy stances can't compete with all the people dying, or worse being seriously debilitated, from stupid shit like injecting bleach, or chloroquine, or other "stable genius" ideas from the myriad of great businessmen stymied by science out there?

    Not much different from today. Sorry, I don't buy that the public is on the verge of medical suicide and only prevented from such by the regulatory powers of the FDA.

  • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday July 29 2020, @12:53PM (5 children)

    by JoeMerchant (3937) on Wednesday July 29 2020, @12:53PM (#1028085)

    I don't buy that the public is on the verge of medical suicide and only prevented from such by the regulatory powers of the FDA.

    You don't get out much, do you?

    The FDA is not a 1960s AT&T Bell Labs quality genius organization, but... they do follow a somewhat roughly scientifically guided set of operating procedures, and when they're not being jerked around by the politicians - in the past usually shutting things down: Kessler in the mid '90s shut down ALL new device approvals as a knee jerk reaction to the breast implant rupture fiasco which lasted for ~3 years - today Trump using COVID as an excuse to crack open the sluice for anything COVID related - so, roughly 90% of the time, they are fairly consistently moving the needle toward the good side - even if the majority of individuals you deal with are either themselves annoying bureaucratic morons, or they are managed by an annoying bureaucratic moron, the agency as a whole manages to do good works.

    Yes Virginia, without the FDA there would be (more) Americans drinking bleach to fight the common cold, both labeled as Clorox, and in bottles sold as: "Organic homeopathic gluten free bacterial remover, just like Grandma used to use." Plus thousands of other "little harms" that would add up to a significant increase in deaths preventable by idiot bureaucrats.

    Some members of the FDA actually deserve respect, like the one who came into our office on Miami Beach with his badge and gun out on his belt. He quickly apologized and put them away, explaining that he had just come from the Colombian grocery store across the street where they had accidentally been selling soda cans filled with concentrated cocaine - the smugglers screwed up and failed to skim the "loaded" cans after import. And, yes, drinking a Refajo made with one of these spiked sodas would be pretty much instantly fatal.

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    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday July 30 2020, @11:27PM (4 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday July 30 2020, @11:27PM (#1028981) Journal

      The FDA is not a 1960s AT&T Bell Labs quality genius organization, but... they do follow a somewhat roughly scientifically guided set of operating procedures, and when they're not being jerked around by the politicians - in the past usually shutting things down: Kessler in the mid '90s shut down ALL new device approvals as a knee jerk reaction to the breast implant rupture fiasco which lasted for ~3 years - today Trump using COVID as an excuse to crack open the sluice for anything COVID related - so, roughly 90% of the time, they are fairly consistently moving the needle toward the good side - even if the majority of individuals you deal with are either themselves annoying bureaucratic morons, or they are managed by an annoying bureaucratic moron, the agency as a whole manages to do good works.

      In other words, the scientific principle of CYA. Sorry, but they get bad press for a few people dying in a medical trial. They don't get bad press for seven billion people dying prematurely because they helped slow down medical research.

      • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Thursday July 30 2020, @11:44PM (3 children)

        by JoeMerchant (3937) on Thursday July 30 2020, @11:44PM (#1029006)

        because they helped slow down medical research

        The credo is: safe and effective.

        First, do no harm. Demonstrate that your drug, device, whatever is safe to use. In the event that it is not completely safe, then the burden is to demonstrate that the potential harm is outweighed by the expected benefits.

        Effective: does the drug, device, whatever do what is claimed better than placebo? Placebo is a pretty high bar, just paying attention to someone's problem is often enough to fix it, but we really don't need more placebos on the market charging money for what could be accomplished with a decent bedside manner.

        You think anything that is regulated "slowed down" by the FDA is actually going to reach and positively impact even 10% of the people on this planet? You must have been smoking with Elon.

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        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday July 31 2020, @01:43PM (2 children)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday July 31 2020, @01:43PM (#1029272) Journal

          First, do no harm.

          There we are. No one sees the harm of opportunity cost. Everyone sees the harm from a few people dying from a bad drug.

          You think anything that is regulated "slowed down" by the FDA is actually going to reach and positively impact even 10% of the people on this planet?

          Much closer to 100% than that. By the end of this century, I think most people no matter where they are in the world will be part of the developed world and have access to advanced medical technology. Thus, the amount of time the FDA obstructs medical progress by "doing no harm" means their lives in the future will be a little bit poorer and shorter lived.

          • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Friday July 31 2020, @02:06PM (1 child)

            by JoeMerchant (3937) on Friday July 31 2020, @02:06PM (#1029286)

            No one sees the harm of opportunity cost.

            In most cases, no one knows the value of opportunity. There's speculation, hope, guesses, estimates, but you don't really know the future.

            I think most people no matter where they are in the world will be part of the developed world and have access to advanced medical technology.

            Most of this "advanced medical technology" you are concerned with bringing to the broader masses is a bunch of over-complicated, over-priced, "value creation" that could and should be boiled down to the essence of what it does to improve patients health/quality of life, but instead is being developed to extract ever-more profit out of the sick. The "free market" is doing little or nothing to steer product development toward patient benefit.

            Thus, the amount of time the FDA obstructs medical progress by "doing no harm" means their lives in the future will be a little bit poorer and shorter lived.

            Go find Kurzweil and do some meditative yoga while you extrapolate simple concepts into utopian images of the future. Better hurry, he's going to miss the singularity by a wide margin, and so are you.

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            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday July 31 2020, @11:06PM

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday July 31 2020, @11:06PM (#1029517) Journal

              In most cases, no one knows the value of opportunity. There's speculation, hope, guesses, estimates, but you don't really know the future.

              Doesn't mean that opportunity costs should be ignored just because "no one knows". And you follow it up with

              I think most people no matter where they are in the world will be part of the developed world and have access to advanced medical technology.

              Most of this "advanced medical technology" you are concerned with bringing to the broader masses is a bunch of over-complicated, over-priced, "value creation" that could and should be boiled down to the essence of what it does to improve patients health/quality of life, but instead is being developed to extract ever-more profit out of the sick. The "free market" is doing little or nothing to steer product development toward patient benefit.

              Why rhetorically invoke the "free market" when the FDA makes it very non-free? I'll note a second, more recent post from a different story where you non-sarcastically observe [soylentnews.org]:

              We're not angels. If you want to identify the devil in the room, call it capitalism.

              I have watched ideas that work, could have been saving lives for the past 20 years with basically trivial per-patient cost, be shelved because the reality of my industry is that it takes a lot of money to get anything properly launched and supported in the broad market and that money gets apportioned to the "best" ideas, meaning the ones that will return maximal ROI. So, for the past 20 years a virtual cure for bulimia has been ignored. Another for meconium aspiration with similarly dramatic (like 95+%) improvement in outcome, and potential application for things like alveolar collapse associated with COVID, similarly shelved.

              The Devil is a little less than 80% evil, the angels of capitalism do sometimes direct resources where they do the most good for the most people - those shelved ideas aren't "taking up oxygen" from other ideas that ostensibly do more good for more people. Sucks when you're one of the people that would benefit from a shelved technology, but if your pet technology were taken out and developed the thinking goes that it would be taking away more benefit from other things than it provides itself.

              In the big picture, 1 million premature deaths a couple of times every 100 years from an out of control pandemic, while scary when it happens, isn't as worthwhile to address as something more mundane but pervasive, like clean drinking water. Yes, we can do both, but reality is: we can't actually do all the things. Ideas are easy, development is work, marketing is risky.

              In the big picture, 1 million premature deaths a few times a century or millennium from bad medical technology, while scary when it happens, isn't as worthwhile to address as the irreversible development of better medical technology. The FDA enables the non-free market in medical technology where obvious medical advances like your "virtual cure for bulimia" can be ignored in preference to "over-complicated, over-priced, 'value creation'". They're the gate keepers that keep out ideas with too low a ROI, the barrier to entry for new advances that would upset the status quo and make our lives better.