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posted by martyb on Thursday July 30 2020, @09:49AM   Printer-friendly
from the lockdowns-were-supposed-to-be-just-one-part-of-defense-at-depth dept.

Economists warn of 'widespread costs' from lockdown:

Blanket restrictions on economic activity should be lifted and replaced with measures targeted specifically at groups most at risk, say economists.

[...] They argue that while the extent to which the lockdown contributed to a subsequent slowing in the rate of new infections and deaths is not easy to estimate precisely, it seems clear that it did contribute to these public health objectives.

However, they say it is "very far from clear" whether keeping such tight restrictions in place for three months until the end of June when they began to be lifted was warranted, given the large costs. They say that the costs of carrying on with such a lockdown are likely to have become significantly greater than its benefits.

Debate over the global dilemma continues.


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Thursday July 30 2020, @02:16PM (16 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday July 30 2020, @02:16PM (#1028623) Journal

    Meat packing plants? How are they faring today? How many hot spots have been discovered in them, to date? Has anyone collected all that data into a nice yummy package?

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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Thursday July 30 2020, @02:26PM (10 children)

    by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us (6553) on Thursday July 30 2020, @02:26PM (#1028631) Journal

    Wasn't his question. Are you unable to get meat currently? Dunno about where you live, but where I do prices rose a bit and sometimes the rack thinned out a little, but it has always been available.

    What products truly went off the shelves that are not explained by initial waves of hoarding / profiteering attempts?

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    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday July 30 2020, @02:36PM (8 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday July 30 2020, @02:36PM (#1028639) Journal

      There are no real shortages - yet. Are we all happy to just sit on our asses, and wait for them to happen?

      • (Score: 4, Funny) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday July 30 2020, @04:09PM (7 children)

        I can't help feel a loss of potential comedy at using meat packing plants here instead of fudge packing ones.

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        • (Score: 3, Funny) by Runaway1956 on Thursday July 30 2020, @04:13PM (6 children)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday July 30 2020, @04:13PM (#1028740) Journal

          OMG, tell me there is no shortage of fudge to pack!!

          ROFLMAO

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 31 2020, @12:19AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 31 2020, @12:19AM (#1029025)

            Get a room, you two!

          • (Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Friday July 31 2020, @11:43AM (3 children)

            by hendrikboom (1125) Subscriber Badge on Friday July 31 2020, @11:43AM (#1029223) Homepage Journal

            There is a shortage of fudge. Because almost no one knows how to make it.
            It's tricky, and seems to involve experience in judging the precise moment to interfere with the way sugar crystalizes.

            There is no shortage of things called fudge, made with chemical emulsifiers and other components rather than rely on this critical judgement.

            -- hendrik

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 31 2020, @05:27PM (2 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 31 2020, @05:27PM (#1029382)

              Candymaking still requires attention and timing, but infrared thermometers make it way easier than trying to judge by sight, water test, or candy thermometer.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 30 2020, @02:38PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 30 2020, @02:38PM (#1028640)

      where I do prices rose a bit and sometimes the rack thinned out a little, but it has always been available.

      (Hiding under the bed in a burning house) "Where I am the air is only somewhat warm, and nearly no smoke at all."

  • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday July 30 2020, @02:52PM (3 children)

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday July 30 2020, @02:52PM (#1028656) Journal

    Meat packing plants? How are they faring today? How many hot spots have been discovered in them, to date?

    About 3-4 closed in the entire state, one reopened after the cluster was eliminated and the business disinfected.

    Has anyone collected all that data into a nice yummy package?

    See for yourself [covid19data.com.au]

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    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday July 30 2020, @03:13PM (2 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday July 30 2020, @03:13PM (#1028679) Journal

      Disclaimer:

      Editor's note
      This page currently tracks large clusters in Victoria (10 or more cases). Data compiled from Victoria Health media releases and reflect what has been announced to the public

      That topmost graphic is useless to a color blind old man like myself.

      The chart below it is of some value. Public housing towers ranks higher than ANYTHING? Who'da thunk it? Informative, but it doesn't specifically address the food processing industries, which I was addressing.

      1. Cedar Meats
      2. Somerville Meats
      3. JBS Abbatoir
      4. Australian Lamb Company
      5. Diamond Valley Pork

      So, in Australia, public housing, health care, and retailing are the highest risks, in order, with a number of families figuring into total count. It appears that food processing ranks well below either public housing, or healthcare (to include nursing homes).

      Interesting . . .

      • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday July 30 2020, @03:25PM (1 child)

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday July 30 2020, @03:25PM (#1028689) Journal

        That topmost graphic is useless to a color blind old man like myself.

        Sorry, I don't have other source of info.

        Public housing towers ranks higher than ANYTHING?

        Yes, because they are as densely populated as New York [abc.net.au] (the link has a photo)

        So, in Australia, public housing, health care, and retailing are the highest risks, in order, with a number of families figuring into total count. It appears that food processing ranks well below either public housing, or healthcare (to include nursing homes).

        With the note that those are "infection clusters" and not "hotspots" - no, the Aussie families don't have hundreds of members. The name of the cluster is linked to where the origin of the cluster has been traced to. Many of these origins are now clear.

        The worst hit are the age care - they can't isolated themselves more dependent as they are of a carer.

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        • (Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Friday July 31 2020, @11:50AM

          by hendrikboom (1125) Subscriber Badge on Friday July 31 2020, @11:50AM (#1029227) Homepage Journal

          That topmost graphic is useless to a color blind old man like myself.

          Sorry, I don't have other source of info.

          Sounds like his OS should have a feature whereby he could point to a pixel on the screen and get its RGB value.
          Or a perhaps more useful one that imposes a time-varying transformation of RGB values so that the colour axis he doesn't perceive will be represented by easily perceptible continuous change in one of the colour axes he can perceive.

  • (Score: 2) by dry on Monday August 03 2020, @02:54AM

    by dry (223) on Monday August 03 2020, @02:54AM (#1030558) Journal

    They're fairing pretty good in Canada now, after some adjustments. It has made us aware that they're too concentrated and there should be more smaller plants. While some types of food might get thinner, I doubt that anyone is going to go hungry who wasn't last year.