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posted by martyb on Friday July 31 2020, @01:01AM   Printer-friendly
from the gonna-need-more-disks dept.

Apache Software Foundation Estimates Its Code Value Increased ~$600M For FY2020

For fiscal year 2019 the Apache Software Foundation valued their codebase at around $20 billion USD. The open-source organization has now published their annual report for fiscal year 2020.

The Apache Software Foundation's FY2020 report values their massive code-base now in excess of $20 billion dollars using the CoCoMo[*] model. With eight million lines of code added over their fiscal year, they estimate that increase to be approximately worth $600 million USD worth of work.

[*] Constructive Cost Model (COCOMO).

Blog post. Annual Report FY2020.


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  • (Score: 1) by Frosty Piss on Friday July 31 2020, @01:23AM (13 children)

    by Frosty Piss (4971) on Friday July 31 2020, @01:23AM (#1029044)

    A stupid question: Something that is *free*, how do you value that? The licensing insures that the Intellectual Property can not be sold for exclusive use, i.e. the GPL...

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 31 2020, @01:27AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 31 2020, @01:27AM (#1029045)

    Larry Ellison's lawyers will not understand the question.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 31 2020, @01:35AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 31 2020, @01:35AM (#1029048)

      How many lines of code are Uncle Larry's OpenOffice, that literally no one uses having migrated to Libre?

  • (Score: 4, Funny) by takyon on Friday July 31 2020, @01:35AM (5 children)

    by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Friday July 31 2020, @01:35AM (#1029049) Journal

    Something that is *free*, how do you value that?

    yOu UsE tHe CoCoMo MoDeL.

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    • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 31 2020, @01:47AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 31 2020, @01:47AM (#1029058)

      A lot of Apache is Java libraries, make sense they'd use a CocoaMug model.

      • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 31 2020, @01:58AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 31 2020, @01:58AM (#1029066)

        Bunch of has beans in need of better code covfefe.

    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday July 31 2020, @01:56AM

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday July 31 2020, @01:56AM (#1029064) Journal

      Ohhhh-kay - https://www.modelmanagement.com/model/ilvy-kokomo/ [modelmanagement.com]

    • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Friday July 31 2020, @02:37PM

      by Freeman (732) on Friday July 31 2020, @02:37PM (#1029308) Journal

      Sure it's not spelled the same, but I've got a much better kokomo model for you. https://youtu.be/mP07Oyr7enQ [youtu.be] (Kokomo by the "Beach Boys" with lyrics.)

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    • (Score: 2) by kazzie on Friday July 31 2020, @04:25PM

      by kazzie (5309) Subscriber Badge on Friday July 31 2020, @04:25PM (#1029347)

      I need some Cocodamol after reading that camelCase...

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by driverless on Friday July 31 2020, @07:45AM (1 child)

    by driverless (4770) on Friday July 31 2020, @07:45AM (#1029175)

    Something that is *free*, how do you value that?

    That's the next thing about OSS, with commercial software you've got an actual market value, with OSS you can just pull any figure out of your ass. Want to make the value small for tax purposes, make it small. Want to make it big to impress pointy-hairs, make it big. We support an OSS project and once managed to come up with a value for it that was around 50% of the national GDP based on fairly sensible industry metrics every step of the way.

    And I said gentlemen, and I use that world loosely
    I will testify for you, I'm a gun for hire, I'm a saint, I'm a liar
    Because there are no facts, there is no truth
    Just data to be manipulated
    I can get you any result you like
    What's it worth to you?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 31 2020, @07:45PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 31 2020, @07:45PM (#1029471)

      "That's the next thing about OSS, with commercial software"

      FOSS can be commercial. you mean "proprietary" or "slaveware".

  • (Score: 2) by TheRaven on Friday July 31 2020, @11:02AM (2 children)

    by TheRaven (270) on Friday July 31 2020, @11:02AM (#1029200) Journal
    It's the cost to recreate it. The fact that you don't have to pay anyone to recreate it because it's permissively licensed is irrelevant. The problem with this model is that lots of things are expensive to create but of no discernible value.
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    • (Score: 2) by choose another one on Friday July 31 2020, @11:33AM (1 child)

      by choose another one (515) Subscriber Badge on Friday July 31 2020, @11:33AM (#1029218)

      Surely it's the cost to recreate it if you paid some ridiculous rates per LOC, and recreated every single LOC (so there is no redundant, unused, legacy etc. code there at all).

      Why the heck wouldn't you recreate it (if needed) for free (or at least for comparatively very little), using volunteer labour, the same way you created it?

      • (Score: 2) by TheRaven on Friday July 31 2020, @04:20PM

        by TheRaven (270) on Friday July 31 2020, @04:20PM (#1029343) Journal

        Surely it's the cost to recreate it if you paid some ridiculous rates per LOC,

        The rates in these are based on real rates for production-ready code. Writing the code is a pretty small part of the cost.

        and recreated every single LOC (so there is no redundant, unused, legacy etc. code there at all).

        Correct, it's hard to measure the cost of completely rewriting equivalent functionality. Second system costs are quite tricky to estimate.

        Why the heck wouldn't you recreate it (if needed) for free (or at least for comparatively very little), using volunteer labour, the same way you created it?

        There's an assumption that no one was paid to write it in the first place. That's often not true for open source software. Open source is free to copy, not necessarily free to write. A lot of the open source code that I've written was paid for by people who wanted the extra features.

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