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posted by Fnord666 on Tuesday August 04 2020, @09:02PM   Printer-friendly
from the who-is-at-the-most-risk? dept.

Who Gets a Vaccine First? U.S. Considers Race in Coronavirus Plans:

Federal health officials are already trying to decide who will get the first doses of any effective coronavirus vaccines, which could be on the market this winter but could require many additional months to become widely available to Americans.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and an advisory committee of outside health experts in April began working on a ranking system for what may be an extended rollout in the United States. According to a preliminary plan, any approved vaccines would be offered to vital medical and national security officials first, and then to other essential workers and those considered at high risk — the elderly instead of children, people with underlying conditions instead of the relatively healthy.

Agency officials and the advisers are also considering what has become a contentious option: putting Black and Latino people, who have disproportionately fallen victim to Covid-19, ahead of others in the population.


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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 04 2020, @09:07PM (24 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 04 2020, @09:07PM (#1031415)

    This is example of Late-Stage Anti-Racism, which looks a lot like fucking Racism.

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  • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 04 2020, @09:48PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 04 2020, @09:48PM (#1031431)

    Inside out reactionary anti-reverse old school racist! Must be a Milano.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 04 2020, @10:08PM (12 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 04 2020, @10:08PM (#1031441)

    Officials, essential workers, elderly, the rest.

    Totally racist.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by sjames on Tuesday August 04 2020, @10:23PM (11 children)

      by sjames (2882) on Tuesday August 04 2020, @10:23PM (#1031450) Journal

      I guess you fell asleep before you got to:

      Agency officials and the advisers are also considering what has become a contentious option: putting Black and Latino people, who have disproportionately fallen victim to Covid-19, ahead of others in the population.

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @01:24AM (10 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @01:24AM (#1031519)

        Targeting people demonstrated most likely to catch it.

        Totally racist.

        • (Score: 4, Informative) by sjames on Wednesday August 05 2020, @02:09AM (9 children)

          by sjames (2882) on Wednesday August 05 2020, @02:09AM (#1031534) Journal

          More analysis is needed to see why. If it's because more Black and Latino people are essential workers, the disparity is already addressed by giving it to essential workers first. If it's a genetic difference, we need to study it for possible treatments. If it's an economic disparity that happens to follow ethnicity, we need to give it to lower income people first.

          • (Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @06:14AM (4 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @06:14AM (#1031583)

            What the hell difference does it make?

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @06:29AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @06:29AM (#1031594)

              The Fee-Fees

            • (Score: 3, Informative) by sjames on Wednesday August 05 2020, @01:21PM (2 children)

              by sjames (2882) on Wednesday August 05 2020, @01:21PM (#1031692) Journal

              Prioritization based on correct/appropriate criteria can save lives and reduce economic damage. Using wrong/inappropriate criteria can cost lives and increase economic damage.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @03:56PM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @03:56PM (#1031794)

                Sounds like "Thoughts and Prayers" after the latest kid massacre.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @04:58PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @04:58PM (#1031818)

                  Sounds like "Thoughts and Prayers" after the latest kid massacre.

                  What a steaming pile of crap from a worm-infested ferret!

                  Beyond the fact that creating vaccine distribution policy recommendations is a completely different sport than tut-tutting over dead kids, your cavalier attitude to both is a little disturbing.

                  GP said [soylentnews.org]:

                  Prioritization based on correct/appropriate criteria can save lives and reduce economic damage. Using wrong/inappropriate criteria can cost lives and increase economic damage.

                  What might that criteria be? To me, it makes sense that those who are most vulnerable to life-threatening complications/have the most potential for exposure should be prioritized over other folks.

                  I'd (still waiting for that call from the CDC asking for my input on this important subject) recommend that priority be given to the elderly, the immuno-compromised, those who deal with Coronavirus patients, others who deal, in person, with large numbers of other people (EMTs, bus drivers, teachers, cops, etc.) as well as those in zip codes/census tracts [msu.edu] with the highest case/complications/mortality rates.

          • (Score: -1, Troll) by Dr Spin on Wednesday August 05 2020, @06:54AM (2 children)

            by Dr Spin (5239) on Wednesday August 05 2020, @06:54AM (#1031608)

            The science says most of this is accounted for by low levels of vitamin D which is very cheap. It is normally produced in the skin by sunlight (from cholesterol).

            About 70% of "Afro-Americans" and 50% of Latinos in the USA have low levels of Vitamin D. There is clear evidence that low vitamin D makes respiratory disease,
            including Covid-19 worse.

            What is not clear is why governments are not publicising this - here in the UK it looks like "fear of being accused of being racist". No one in an American government has ever
            been worried about being accused of being racist AFAICT. Trump appears to revel in it.

            I take Vitamin D supplement - you should too, regardless of colour.

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            • (Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Wednesday August 05 2020, @12:06PM (1 child)

              by PiMuNu (3823) on Wednesday August 05 2020, @12:06PM (#1031652)

              > The science says

              Do you have a citation? Too much bs (and genuine mistakes) around...

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @03:57PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @03:57PM (#1031795)

                I heard it was colloidal silver. Better take that too, just in case.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @06:50PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @06:50PM (#1031882)

            it's socio-economic, ffs

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Mykl on Tuesday August 04 2020, @10:26PM (9 children)

    by Mykl (1112) on Tuesday August 04 2020, @10:26PM (#1031452)

    If your goals is to minimise deaths, and there are proportionally more deaths in the black and latino population, then it's not racist to focus your efforts where they are most required.

    Similarly, it's not "Statist" to send vaccines to hardest hit states ahead of those states that are doing better.

    Neither is it ageist to give the vaccines to those age groups hardest hit first.

    Now, if all of the vaccines went to swing states first, I'd be crying foul.

    • (Score: 5, Interesting) by c0lo on Tuesday August 04 2020, @11:19PM (2 children)

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday August 04 2020, @11:19PM (#1031466) Journal

      If your goals is to minimise deaths, and there are proportionally more deaths in the black and latino population, then it's not racist to focus your efforts where they are most required.

      It's also convenient they are expendable when it comes to test the effectiveness and safety of a vaccine rushed out of the door for electoral reasons.

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      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday August 05 2020, @02:30AM (1 child)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday August 05 2020, @02:30AM (#1031541) Journal

        That, exactly. If people have faith in the vax, the rich people will line up to pay premium prices for the first shots. If there is little faith in the vax, they'll be down in the 'hood, asking for volunteers.

        I have no ill will to anyone in the 'hood, but someone down there can have mine if he wants it. I don't want it.

        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @11:45AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @11:45AM (#1031648)

          I have no ill will to anyone in the 'hood, but someone down there can have mine if he wants it. I don't want it.

          Thanks for volunteering to take chances with Covid, especially in your age group.

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by darkfeline on Wednesday August 05 2020, @03:02AM (1 child)

      by darkfeline (1030) on Wednesday August 05 2020, @03:02AM (#1031553) Homepage

      I'd like to see evidence that deaths are correlated independently with race and not with poverty. There are poor white people too you know.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @06:16AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @06:16AM (#1031586)

        And hooooooow much effort did you put into answering your own question?

    • (Score: 2, Touché) by sorokin on Wednesday August 05 2020, @09:45AM (1 child)

      by sorokin (187) on Wednesday August 05 2020, @09:45AM (#1031630)

      > If your goals is to minimise deaths, and there are proportionally more deaths in the black and latino population, then it's not racist to focus your efforts where they are most required.

      Men should get the vaccine first. And, it is not sexist to focus your efforts where they are most required.

      • (Score: 2) by Mykl on Thursday August 06 2020, @01:36AM

        by Mykl (1112) on Thursday August 06 2020, @01:36AM (#1032076)

        I agree - broadly speaking, if men are getting COVID more and dying more, then they should get the vaccine ahead of women.

    • (Score: 2) by Entropy on Wednesday August 05 2020, @03:51PM (1 child)

      by Entropy (4228) on Wednesday August 05 2020, @03:51PM (#1031788)

      Guess if your goal is to eliminate rape & murder you should focus on the group that does the most rape, and murder?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @04:00PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @04:00PM (#1031796)

        Well there's only so much you can do after they become President. Gotta respect the DoJ memo, we are nation of Memos after all.