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posted by martyb on Wednesday August 05 2020, @04:27PM   Printer-friendly
from the operative-word-is-"could" dept.

MMR Vaccine Could Protect Against the Worst Symptoms of COVID-19 :

"Administering the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine could serve as a preventive measure to dampen septic inflammation associated with COVID-19 infection

[...] The protection was mediated by long-lived myeloid-derived suppressor cells (MDSCs) previously reported inhibiting septic inflammation and mortality in several experimental models.

[...] The milder symptoms seen in the 955 sailors on the U.S.S Roosevelt who tested positive for COVID-19 (only one hospitalization) may have been a consequence of the fact that the MMR vaccinations are given to all U.S. Navy recruits. In addition, epidemiological data suggest a correlation between people in geographical locations who routinely receive the MMR vaccine and reduced COVID-19 death rates. COVID-19 has not had a big impact on children, and the researchers hypothesize that one reason children are protected against viral infections that induce sepsis is their more recent and more frequent exposures to live attenuated vaccines that can also induce the trained suppressive MDSCs that limit inflammation and sepsis."


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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday August 05 2020, @05:56PM (20 children)

    by JoeMerchant (3937) on Wednesday August 05 2020, @05:56PM (#1031858)

    COVID-19 has not had a big impact on children, and the researchers hypothesize that one reason children are protected against viral infections that induce sepsis is their more recent and more frequent exposures to live attenuated vaccines

    Fine, now... there's supposed to be a big population of non-vaccinated children out there, how does their COVID response compare to their vaccinated counterparts?

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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @06:05PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @06:05PM (#1031861)

    Put all the variables in a big matrix, invert the matrix = get the answers.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @06:06PM (16 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @06:06PM (#1031863)

    Yep, came to say something similar, anti-vaxxers have had a field day with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine [wikipedia.org] As the statistics become more clear, perhaps it will be possible to look for more correlation between severity of covid and when/if MMR vaccination was done.

    When a vaccine for CV-19 arrives, it will be interesting to see how many of the anti-vax parents take it (although denying their kids the normal childhood vaccines).

    More reading -- https://www.sciencealert.com/anti-vaxxers-seize-virus-moment-to-spread-fake-news [sciencealert.com]

    • (Score: 2) by Kilo110 on Wednesday August 05 2020, @07:24PM (15 children)

      by Kilo110 (2853) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday August 05 2020, @07:24PM (#1031902)

      they probably won't take it. I read somewhere a month ago that a survey said something like 30% of people won't take a covid vaccine even if offered free.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @07:56PM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @07:56PM (#1031913)

        I would not take version 1.0 but I would take version 3.0. I want all the kinks to be worked out before I take it.

        I would't mind taking a measles vaccine though, it's been around long enough for its safety to have been well established.

        • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @08:05PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @08:05PM (#1031919)

          Why do you want to become autistic?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @09:31PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @09:31PM (#1031966)

            Because you get pizza on Tuesdays.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @08:59PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @08:59PM (#1031948)

          In the US, version 1.0 is going to be given to minorities:

          Agency officials and the advisers are also considering what has become a contentious option: putting Black and Latino people, who have disproportionately fallen victim to COVID-19, ahead of others in the population.

          https://www.baltimoresun.com/coronavirus/ct-nw-nyt-covid-19-vaccine-race-20200709-37nkwjzk6reypp6d3alkazy34u-story.html [baltimoresun.com]

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @11:38PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @11:38PM (#1032020)

            They always test on animals before moving on to Phase 2 trials on humans.

      • (Score: 2) by krishnoid on Wednesday August 05 2020, @08:17PM (8 children)

        by krishnoid (1156) on Wednesday August 05 2020, @08:17PM (#1031924)

        Yeah, I hear that stuff gives you COVID. No wait, autism. No wait, 5G.

        Actually, I'd *really* like to see the demographic/geographical breakdown of that number.

        • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday August 05 2020, @08:23PM (7 children)

          by JoeMerchant (3937) on Wednesday August 05 2020, @08:23PM (#1031930)

          Can I give my phone a vaccine and get 5G? Where do I sign up?

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          • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @10:36PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @10:36PM (#1031993)

            Can I give my phone a vaccine and get 5G? Where do I sign up?

            5G?
            If you can get me a 4G vaccine for my phone I'd be happy...hell, I'd even be happy with one which would give me a stable 3G connection...

            I'm not, by nature, anti vaccination, *but* there's something so inherently fscking sketchy about this whole Covid debacle, and when smarmy greasy little cnuts like Gates are involved in peddling vaccines, I'll be buggered if I'll be partaking of it..

            (For the record, caught the bug early March from someone who'd caught it from someone who'd caught it in Italy and brought it back here...)

             

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @11:49PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @11:49PM (#1032027)

              > (For the record, caught the bug early March from someone who'd caught it from someone who'd caught it in Italy and brought it back here...)

              Please tell us more. What, if any, symptoms, side effects, timing, etc.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @11:02PM (4 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @11:02PM (#1032003)

            Wait wait ... wouldn't you want to vaccinate your phone AGAINST 5G so that you won't get COVID?

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @11:04PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @11:04PM (#1032004)

              Come to think of it doing this might give your phone autism ...

            • (Score: 2) by fido_dogstoyevsky on Wednesday August 05 2020, @11:53PM

              by fido_dogstoyevsky (131) <{axehandle} {at} {gmail.com}> on Wednesday August 05 2020, @11:53PM (#1032029)

              Wait wait ... wouldn't you want to vaccinate your phone AGAINST 5G so that you won't get COVID?

              No, it's not the way it works. You vaccinate YOURSELF against 5G, not your phone. You DO want a 5G infected phone so that the COVID-19 virus ignores you and heads straight for your phone instead.

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            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday August 06 2020, @01:09AM (1 child)

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday August 06 2020, @01:09AM (#1032069) Journal
              Sounded to me like vaccinating your phone so it gets 5G. What could go wrong?
              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 06 2020, @02:20AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 06 2020, @02:20AM (#1032087)

                You would get COVID.

                The logic goes like this

                5G causes COVID.

                Vaccinations cause autism.

                If you vaccinate your phone against 5G the phone won't get 5G but it might get autism. But at least you won't get COVID from your phone's 5G and you won't be the one to get autism because it's your phone that's being vaccinated.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @09:03PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @09:03PM (#1031951)

        Personally, it would depend on the exact vaccine you are talking about. There are different benefits and drawbacks to all of them. But then again, I've actually read the study results, their ingredients, mechanism of action, and more.

  • (Score: 1, Offtopic) by Bot on Wednesday August 05 2020, @09:30PM (1 child)

    by Bot (3902) on Wednesday August 05 2020, @09:30PM (#1031964) Journal

    One nurse in a city 50 miles from here faked the vaccination procedure for over 500 children, went to national news. Nobody cared to publish stats about the difference between vaxxed and unvaxxed in terms of health in the intervening months. In fact, she was found out not because the lil guys fell more ill or harder, but because the colleagues noticed those kids didn't cry after getting the vaccine.
    So, I don't think that many comparative stats will get out.

    Another data point, SIDS (unexplained death for children) decline during lockdown. Some antivaxxers say: SIDS went down, vaccinations went down, interesting correlation ain't it?
    Local debunking sites answer: your data is anecdotal, plus there is a study in 2018 that says that SIDS and vax are uncorrelated. So, basically an ad hominem and an argument ab auctoritate. Uhmmm, debunking by citing stats who say SIDS did not in fact go down are missing, so they didn't. https://www.oltre.tv/sids-e-vaccinazioni-grafici-lockdown-genitori/ [oltre.tv]
    So, I don't think that anybody cares about SIDS either.

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    • (Score: 4, Informative) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday August 05 2020, @09:54PM

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Wednesday August 05 2020, @09:54PM (#1031975)

      I don't think that many comparative stats will get out.

      I don't either, and that's what pisses me off about "faith science," which is most of what gets published mainstream, and even in peer reviewed journal articles. We're scientists, trust us.

      I worked with NICHD on a pretty big SIDS study in the early 90s. They were trying to use the study to prove that infant apnea monitors were useless, but we showed up at the RFP with an apnea monitor that DID work. Amazingly, they used our monitors, but, the study got recalibrated to have fewer participants to ensure that it did not endorse our product as effective. I forget the exact stats, I think there were ~500 high risk infants enrolled, we did have 2 or 3 SIDS deaths in the study, but none were monitored at the time, at least one was heavily suspected of being Munchausen by proxy (had multiple siblings also die of SIDS). We had ZERO deaths on monitor, I saw several traces where we detected a prolonged apnea, sounded the VERY LOUD alarm and the baby gasped and started breathing again. The upshot of that whole study was: back to sleep. Parents believe that infants may choke on vomit if they are put on their backs to sleep, but apparently putting them on their face is worse due to a combination of CO2 trapping and an under-developed sense of elevated CO2 levels in infants which is worsened by a head-tilted-back posture that apparently reduces blood circulation to a brain center involved in CO2 sensing. Babies that vomit into their windpipe respond and almost always correct without assistance, but a significant number of babies placed face down will suffocate in their own CO2 because they don't sense that it is happening - and it's a quiet death so even a vigilant caregiver can miss it.

      As for SIDS down during lockdown, that could be as simple as unemployment: parents less beat dog tired pay more attention to their infants.

      I believe Wakefield was... not a good man, and that his results were unreliable/overstated/self-serving, but... the resulting rebuttal studies that were rushed to publication did more to undermine my faith in the scientific community than any other single event (and there have been a lot of them over the years.)

      All in all, the scientific community is still a better one to follow than nationalism, religion, racism, or whatever other options we have out there, but... there is a whole lot of "science" out there with very flimsy clothing hiding the raging boner agendas underneath.

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