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posted by martyb on Wednesday August 05 2020, @04:27PM   Printer-friendly
from the operative-word-is-"could" dept.

MMR Vaccine Could Protect Against the Worst Symptoms of COVID-19 :

"Administering the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine could serve as a preventive measure to dampen septic inflammation associated with COVID-19 infection

[...] The protection was mediated by long-lived myeloid-derived suppressor cells (MDSCs) previously reported inhibiting septic inflammation and mortality in several experimental models.

[...] The milder symptoms seen in the 955 sailors on the U.S.S Roosevelt who tested positive for COVID-19 (only one hospitalization) may have been a consequence of the fact that the MMR vaccinations are given to all U.S. Navy recruits. In addition, epidemiological data suggest a correlation between people in geographical locations who routinely receive the MMR vaccine and reduced COVID-19 death rates. COVID-19 has not had a big impact on children, and the researchers hypothesize that one reason children are protected against viral infections that induce sepsis is their more recent and more frequent exposures to live attenuated vaccines that can also induce the trained suppressive MDSCs that limit inflammation and sepsis."


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  • (Score: 1, Offtopic) by Bot on Wednesday August 05 2020, @09:30PM (1 child)

    by Bot (3902) on Wednesday August 05 2020, @09:30PM (#1031964) Journal

    One nurse in a city 50 miles from here faked the vaccination procedure for over 500 children, went to national news. Nobody cared to publish stats about the difference between vaxxed and unvaxxed in terms of health in the intervening months. In fact, she was found out not because the lil guys fell more ill or harder, but because the colleagues noticed those kids didn't cry after getting the vaccine.
    So, I don't think that many comparative stats will get out.

    Another data point, SIDS (unexplained death for children) decline during lockdown. Some antivaxxers say: SIDS went down, vaccinations went down, interesting correlation ain't it?
    Local debunking sites answer: your data is anecdotal, plus there is a study in 2018 that says that SIDS and vax are uncorrelated. So, basically an ad hominem and an argument ab auctoritate. Uhmmm, debunking by citing stats who say SIDS did not in fact go down are missing, so they didn't. https://www.oltre.tv/sids-e-vaccinazioni-grafici-lockdown-genitori/ [oltre.tv]
    So, I don't think that anybody cares about SIDS either.

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  • (Score: 4, Informative) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday August 05 2020, @09:54PM

    by JoeMerchant (3937) on Wednesday August 05 2020, @09:54PM (#1031975)

    I don't think that many comparative stats will get out.

    I don't either, and that's what pisses me off about "faith science," which is most of what gets published mainstream, and even in peer reviewed journal articles. We're scientists, trust us.

    I worked with NICHD on a pretty big SIDS study in the early 90s. They were trying to use the study to prove that infant apnea monitors were useless, but we showed up at the RFP with an apnea monitor that DID work. Amazingly, they used our monitors, but, the study got recalibrated to have fewer participants to ensure that it did not endorse our product as effective. I forget the exact stats, I think there were ~500 high risk infants enrolled, we did have 2 or 3 SIDS deaths in the study, but none were monitored at the time, at least one was heavily suspected of being Munchausen by proxy (had multiple siblings also die of SIDS). We had ZERO deaths on monitor, I saw several traces where we detected a prolonged apnea, sounded the VERY LOUD alarm and the baby gasped and started breathing again. The upshot of that whole study was: back to sleep. Parents believe that infants may choke on vomit if they are put on their backs to sleep, but apparently putting them on their face is worse due to a combination of CO2 trapping and an under-developed sense of elevated CO2 levels in infants which is worsened by a head-tilted-back posture that apparently reduces blood circulation to a brain center involved in CO2 sensing. Babies that vomit into their windpipe respond and almost always correct without assistance, but a significant number of babies placed face down will suffocate in their own CO2 because they don't sense that it is happening - and it's a quiet death so even a vigilant caregiver can miss it.

    As for SIDS down during lockdown, that could be as simple as unemployment: parents less beat dog tired pay more attention to their infants.

    I believe Wakefield was... not a good man, and that his results were unreliable/overstated/self-serving, but... the resulting rebuttal studies that were rushed to publication did more to undermine my faith in the scientific community than any other single event (and there have been a lot of them over the years.)

    All in all, the scientific community is still a better one to follow than nationalism, religion, racism, or whatever other options we have out there, but... there is a whole lot of "science" out there with very flimsy clothing hiding the raging boner agendas underneath.

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