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posted by on Sunday August 09 2020, @05:51AM   Printer-friendly
from the SNAFU dept.

The Mighty Buzzard writes:

Yeah, so, failure to babysit the db node that was scheduled for a reboot on the 5th resulted in a bit of database FUBAR that left us temporarily losing everything from then to now. Fortunately we had a backup less than six hours old, restored from it, and appear to be copacetic now. Except for the missing five hours and change.

I'd usually make some sort of dumb joke here but it was already four hours past my bedtime when I found out about the problem. My brain is no work good anymore. Fill in whatever dad joke or snark about getting a do-over for a change strikes your fancy.

 
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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by martyb on Sunday August 09 2020, @05:32PM (13 children)

    by martyb (76) Subscriber Badge on Sunday August 09 2020, @05:32PM (#1033895) Journal

    The site went down 2 hours after TMP was normally in bed. Not only did he isolate the problem and get things back up and running (while fighting off his body's demand for sleep), he even wrote and posted a story to tell everybody what happened.

    In his spare time.

    Having never been paid even one penny for all his efforts here.

    And you have the temerity to try to cast this as some kind of conspiracy

    to keep things from the community?

    I see you are new here (account created on 2019-05-27). Like TMB, I have been here from before the site even went live.

    In the early days (and weeks and months) of the site, crashes and outages were a regular occurrence. It is a testament to all the hard work that went into taking ancient, unsupported code dependent on back-level versions of things like apache, mod-perl, nginx (and many others) to the point that an outage is a relatively rare occurrence. Extremely well funded companies like Microsoft, AWS, Google, Twitter, etc. still have outages. So I'd say we're doing pretty darn well running on a shoestring budget. (It costs about $20 per day for everything to run this site for a day: servers, labor, taxes, incorporation fees, CPA, everything!)

    I've TMB put countless hours into this site. He is the one that implemented Unicode (international character sets, emoji, and the like) support just a few months after go-live. As the one who tested the implementation, I can attest that it was no small feat! Then when it was taking longer than he liked to render a story that had lots of comments on it, he completely refactored the code to make things faster. Yeah, that was a fun one to test. :/ And on those few occasions when the site goes sideways, and it exceeds my limited skills at rectification, it generally falls on his shoulders to get things going again.

    And I see that you have never, not even once, subscribed [soylentnews.org] to help support the site financially.

    This is the most strongly-worded comment I have ever posted to the site -- it takes a special level of tactlessness and hubris to accomplish that.

    So, maybe, try saying "Thank You" for what you have already freely received before even beginning to think about asking for more.

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  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 09 2020, @05:59PM (6 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 09 2020, @05:59PM (#1033911)

    Oh, the irony. JMH uses SN to complain that nobody is financially supporting him [soylentnews.org] but he complains about a free service he receives and is apparently unwilling to pay it forward. It takes a very special type of person to complain about a service he receives for free, has not donated to, and yet complains that nobody is donating to his work.

    I've only interacted with you and TMB by email when I've wrote about site questions and issues, but my experience is that you've both been very patient and polite with me. I know I can be a pain in the ass to deal with, but I do appreciate the work you guys have done.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday August 09 2020, @06:07PM (3 children)

      It takes a very special type of person to complain about a service he receives for free...

      Ya think? I considered it one of the most in line with the rest of humanity things he's ever said. Mind you, our community tends to be a cut above the rest of humanity in many aspects in my personal opinion.

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      My rights don't end where your fear begins.
      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Reziac on Monday August 10 2020, @05:21AM (2 children)

        by Reziac (2489) on Monday August 10 2020, @05:21AM (#1034218) Homepage

        That's what happens when you lead by example, bein' yerselves a cut above.

        Thanks for keeping the lights on.

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        And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday August 10 2020, @03:18PM (1 child)

          I figured it was caused by us self-selecting to come here from /. for the reasons we did.

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          My rights don't end where your fear begins.
          • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Monday August 10 2020, @03:44PM

            by Reziac (2489) on Monday August 10 2020, @03:44PM (#1034360) Homepage

            Heh... on the rare occasions I visit the Green Site, I have similar thoughts... starting with, " *what* are they drinking??"

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            And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
    • (Score: 1) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Thursday August 13 2020, @01:48PM (1 child)

      by jmichaelhudsondotnet (8122) on Thursday August 13 2020, @01:48PM (#1036124) Journal

      This is a silly interpretation of my work, and events.

      It is not called "support" when an author is selling their work, or when an activist asks for members of a community to assist with a project.

      I am not asking for charity, I am saying, why the fuck are none of you doing anything about the stated values this community has being attacked on all fronts, to the extent they may disappear.

      Also, by contributing reams of content to this site, that is a form of payment in the form of labor. One of the primary failures of the current iteration of the internet is that our work filling it with interesting content is considered charity, while the people who simply own the infrastructure and had first mover advantage due to timely investment, accrue all of the financial rewards of our work.

      Every single rioter in chicago actually does deserve a piece of the internet fortunes of bezos and gates, and has a reason to be angry that all of their posts, which serve their data harvesting and marketing engines perfectly, do not generate income for those who did the labor and made the contribution.

      That you cannot see the injustice and theft taking place here, which directly affects especially people like myself who do not only shitpost but put entire reams of content online, at risk to ourselves even due to the political dicey nature of our times, says a lot about the extent of your ignorance and inability to see anything other than the tiny portion of the system that is visible to you.

      The rest of us who can deduce and infer and analyze larger systems and see them for what they are, are getting quite tired of having to explain things to people like you, as you insult us for being the ones demanding free stuff.

      You should rethink your life, this comment of yours betrays epic and willful ignorance and more than a little stupidity, and worse, you are calling the person who is trying to help you get your ostrich head out of the sand the asshole.

  • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Monday August 10 2020, @03:47PM

    by Reziac (2489) on Monday August 10 2020, @03:47PM (#1034362) Homepage

    +10, Underrated. All of you in the back room there, keepin' the wheel a-spinning.

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    And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
  • (Score: 1) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Tuesday August 11 2020, @05:55AM (4 children)

    by jmichaelhudsondotnet (8122) on Tuesday August 11 2020, @05:55AM (#1034763) Journal

    1/2

    "predicted response: im lazy, tired, you are paranoid, it doesnt matter, or other cop outs, prove me wrong"

    actual response: "how dare you!" -clutches pearls- so the "other cop out" category FTW

    Color my surprised Marty, the entire last year you have repeatedly told me you do not have time to consider posting stories I submit and now you have time to clutch your pearls that I dare ask for a real incident report when the site went down inexplicably and 6 hours of peoples ideas disappeared.

    Would you like me to forward you those emails where you said everyone on the admin team is just so overloaded with work that you cant consider my contributions? Not that you dont think they are appropriate, but that you dont have time to click a button so my submissions slide to the bottom of the queue, and now you have time to pound your chest at length at how dare I ask for an explanation.

    Nor do you seem to be concerned that in the last 48 hours I was modded troll about 10 times for posts that are not in any waay troll posts. Do you know what words mean or are you locked in a chinese room? Have you seen the number of actual troll responses I have to put up with(and do with grace)? Am I allowed to call you "butthurt" as the buzzard said to me when I one time tried to protest in the IRC?

    Do you see the incongruity? Have you ever heard of the word "fair"? What if I called you and the buzzard butthurt in this situation, how would that feel? Have you ever heard of the concept "double standard"?

    Are you certain that you have the moral high ground here? I do not think you do. I do not see any reason to be offended that I simply asked for a real explanation, or to call me to the carpet for not having the financial wherewithall to contribution to the sites operation. Kindof flattered you looked up my signup date to buttress your arguments.

    If you must know I was in "trial" employment at that time and that job didnt work out. That was about when they started talking about *banning encryption* in the united states, which is an actual big fucking deal, in contrast to this issue which should be trivial. So I have been on unemployment, then the virus lockdown hit, and this has been a pretty fucking difficult time for me, so no I don't have 20 dollars when 90% of the people on here have good paying jobs, and despite me demonstrating that I am one of the most original posters on these topics, job offers are not forthcoming. Nor does anyone here seem to have one ounce of pity, empathy or concern of my reports that for stating my beliefs I have encountered nightmarish political repression. Part of which is the constant insults and aspersions against my sanity I encounter here, which you also seem to think is completely fair.

    All of that outright weaponized dickishness, and I am the asshole here, for asking for an incident report and hurting poor buzzards feelings when he sacrifices his precious retirement hours for the cause. I get troll brigaded mod, you get insightful brigaded plus 5. (though at least 3 other people upvoted my comment for insightful or interesting, so I am not alone here) Nor was my post in any way acrimonious, I checked. Sysadmins provide real reports when things go wrong, it should be fun, but you doth protest....so very much...

    Is the worlde turned upside downe? Fact of the matter is I have been doing actual work and I am one of the foremost experts on forum manipulation due to 10+ years at reddit, where my work is actually being erased, and none of my messages to other users were recieved, and every post I made got -10 downvotes within 10 minutes. I was censored at hackernews for daring to question mozilla, almost immediately. Twitter silos me, no one sees my posts. Other alt sites like saidit and raddle are the same, oddly with the same pearl clutching responses from the mods when I question their decisions. And outright gaslighting, when I respond to how insane the troll responses to me are, they say, just like you just did, that i am the asshole. And even /pol/ where the wildest nonsense and vile racism is allowed, erases my attempt to share my story and work within an hour. I came here for a potential alternative to censorship due to the obscurity of this site and that people here *claim* to have a strong belief in the fundamental principles of linux and writings of Richard Stallmman, among other things. Now I have to admit I am experiencing forms of censorship here and if you did care about this site so much as you claim to, having devoted 10 years of your life to it, you would take what I am saying very seriously. We will see.

    I am calling you into question on these values and if you do not see why then maybe you do not belong on the admin team of a site that claims to have them.

    • (Score: 1) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Tuesday August 11 2020, @05:59AM

      by jmichaelhudsondotnet (8122) on Tuesday August 11 2020, @05:59AM (#1034764) Journal

      2/2

      You are being at best naive, at worst not arguing in good faith, so I find it difficult to take you seriously. This is the moment at which I begin to shift from being 60% certain this site is a fake honeypot to 90% certain at least 90% of you are here for some other reason than to have fair discussion. You seem to be unaware that sites going offline at odd times is a *major* tactic of censors, which allows them to control the viral spread of ideas they do not like. The same happened a year ago around the epstein death and my protests, and your response to my call for logs was very similar. The same happened *to the entire internet* in october 16 when a certain set of emails were leaked and vans were parked outside the ecuadorian embassy in London. I could go on and on.

      As a writer, someone who is trying to sell books, and who may not be able to have a normal job because when you tell the truth today it angers very, very powerful interests who do not play fair and wage 5th gen(or plausible deniable douchebaggery) warfare. Places where I work are ddos'd and receive phone harassment among other things, this sort of censorship is devastating. I have received threats of physical violence, at this site as well. (patella whack?) Far more of a life problem than having to answer mere questions about incident reports, when that is in the definition of your job as a sysadmin.

      Are you aware that last night when I was trying to respond to you I got the "cannot post to this page" error again, despite having 25 karma, and relogging? Is there some reason that is not a bug? Is there some resaon this error message is not descriptive? It may just be a bug but it is far from the only questionable thing going on here on the side of the admin team.

      This sadly fits a pattern of the "apples and oranges" form of censorship, described by someoe else in this excellent meme: https://archive.is/SoybE [archive.is] Is this the first time you have heard of this concept? Can you see how dangerous this is to the functioning of debate in human culture on earth?

      If you want to silence someone without direct censorship, you leave that person open to abuse, neglect and incompetence. You do not care that I am falsely modded, harassed. You neglect my posts and requests for fair modification. You ban me from modding for an entire month for a glitch that made me falsely mod someone spam, for some odd reason I am unable to post at random times without explanation. You insult me and say how dare you when I ask about it, repeatedly. q.e.d.

      As a final word, consider this exerpt from *my book* on the subject of security culture in civilian group, and how you are, one way or another, failing a major test of trustworthy community leadership:

      "Anti-security Culture – Infiltating agents will mock, subvert, reject any attempt at actual security and in every case argue to weaken security or act in such a way that security is undermined. In every case, agents will pretend that infiltration programs such as Cointelpro do not exist, and will rapidly change the subject or exit the situation. I have seen this on numerous, numerous occasions.

      Checklist Question – Do they respect and see the need for security culture, and contribute to the safety of the group, or do they undermine it intentionally or by ‘accident’?

      Checklist Question – Is the person aware and apologetic for theirIdentifying Police State Infiltration in Civilian Organizations disruption, or do they respond indignation and acrimony?"

      You fail both checklist questions, badly. So no I do not feel bad about asking for logs or pointing out the, at best, incompetence of downtime like this, or the potential avenue for censorship this could be. And I question your intentions as an admin of this site.

      Defend your actions or prove me right. At least I am glad now you have demonstated without doubt you have the time!

      Your response will tell me everything I need to know about how much you care about digital liberty and the trustworthiness of you and this site going forward. Is this just douchebaggery or is it a form of psych warfare? That is the only question that remains to be answered. All I asked for was a real incident report, but you had to be the first to make a personal attack on me. Clutch your pearls and spout "who do you think you are" all you want, but I have spent probably a larger amount of time contributing to this site than you have in the last 18 months(https://archive.is/FHpOa), and what I have to say is more interesting and critical to the dire issues at hand, by any measure. Feel free to word count our total comments and postings, maybe I am in error on this but I am not afraid to see the results, are you?

      I apologize for nothing. I think you should rethink your life if this is the best youve got.

      Full checklist, and link to free download of cited book:
      https://archive.is/u4d69 [archive.is] checklist for infiltration
      http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=5666F69751D2A84ECC3C74A2AC9F0C56 [lib.rus.ec] Mental Self Defense and Reverse Social Engineering against the Strategies Tactics and Psycho Bullshit of Modern Totalitarianism

      https://archive.is/2M0aT [archive.is] 7 step shuffle of controlled opposition
      https://archive.is/q5343 [archive.is] you do not fit in here
      https://archive.is/fYnfb [archive.is] new propaganda model
      This: https://0bin.net/paste/nkYnMBeeQPS3T4ZL#n1N2IqnDMPo-IU9ubOeSdi9yYuAxGjggFkCS++yCDA1 [0bin.net]

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by janrinok on Tuesday August 11 2020, @08:00AM (2 children)

      by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday August 11 2020, @08:00AM (#1034800) Journal

      you do not have time to consider posting stories I submit

      It's not just that martyb - or any other editor - does not have the time, it is that your submissions do not have the quality.

      ask for a real incident report

      Go start your own site and you can have loads of incident reports to read. Oh, you have - https://jmichaelhudson.net/. [jmichaelhudson.net]

      If you must know I was in "trial" employment at that time and that job didn't work out.

      Colour me unsurprised.

      All of that outright weaponized dickishness, and I am the asshole here

      Well, we can all agree on that statement; you are the asshole. When you make yourself available 24hrs a day for free you can come back and lecture the staff here. Until that time, I suggest that you shut up or you go find another community that more closely meets your needs. Isn't your own site doing as well as you had hoped? Still it must give you some logs to read, so ours aren't too important for you.

      though at least 3 other people upvoted my comment for insightful or interesting, so I am not alone here

      No, they didn't. You had 1 x interesting, 1 x insightful, 1 x overrated, and 2 x troll. Don't make 'facts' up that you cannot substantiate.

      Nor was my post in any way acrimonious

      No, but you assumed that the staff are here to serve you - we are not. We voluntarily serve the community but not necessarily individuals who think that they can just demand things. If you had bothered to look on IRC, or waited until the comments came from those who had been up all night sorting the problem out, you would have realised that nobody had had any time to produce a report of any kind. We explained that there had been a problem, and what measures had been taken to fix it. They were then sleeping after a difficult night's work. And as your 'support' to this site appears to be only in your self-centred comments you are not really in a position to ask for anything more.

      I am one of the foremost experts on forum manipulation due to 10+ years at reddit...

      Citation please - I am unable to find your Wiki entry. Do you mean 'foremost expert' in your street or apartment block?

      ... where my work is actually being erased, and none of my messages to other users were recieved, and every post I made got -10 downvotes within 10 minutes. I was censored at hackernews for daring to question mozilla, almost immediately. Twitter silos me, no one sees my posts. Other alt sites like saidit and raddle are the same, oddly with the same pearl clutching responses from the mods when I question their decisions.

      I'm seeing a pattern here - have you thought that it might not be everyone else that is wrong - perhaps it is you? The moderations are done by the community, are you also questioning their decisions? They disagree with you, hard luck.

      • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 11 2020, @08:33PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 11 2020, @08:33PM (#1035142)

        I bet he has zero incident reports. Given the horrible configuration of that website, I doubt he'd have the tools in place to notice any problems.

      • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Monday August 24 2020, @01:09PM

        by Reziac (2489) on Monday August 24 2020, @01:09PM (#1041115) Homepage

        Upon inspecting the indicated site, I note that the proprietor's life goal is to emulate Marx's career; which is to say, to never need to work.

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        And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.