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posted by on Sunday August 09 2020, @05:51AM   Printer-friendly
from the SNAFU dept.

The Mighty Buzzard writes:

Yeah, so, failure to babysit the db node that was scheduled for a reboot on the 5th resulted in a bit of database FUBAR that left us temporarily losing everything from then to now. Fortunately we had a backup less than six hours old, restored from it, and appear to be copacetic now. Except for the missing five hours and change.

I'd usually make some sort of dumb joke here but it was already four hours past my bedtime when I found out about the problem. My brain is no work good anymore. Fill in whatever dad joke or snark about getting a do-over for a change strikes your fancy.

 
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  • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Sunday August 09 2020, @05:37PM (10 children)

    by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Sunday August 09 2020, @05:37PM (#1033900) Journal

    I have no idea if any of the systems guys would want you - if you have to ask then maybe you are not the sort of person who can do the job. Join us on IRC and chat to one of the systems guys [soylentnews.org].

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  • (Score: 1) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Tuesday August 11 2020, @06:27AM (7 children)

    by jmichaelhudsondotnet (8122) on Tuesday August 11 2020, @06:27AM (#1034778) Journal

    First question, do you know what the "you cannot post to this page" error is? Would thee be a way to get this message improved so that it says some instructions for solving it or justification? I had 25 karma, this was around 9pm utc last night.

    After some thought, the real reason I would not join the admin team is that I do not trust buzzard. I have spent a lot of time trying to have a reasonable discussion with him and he simply does not deliver.

    It goes like this:

    Me: "I think A, B, and C are critical facets of this issue, and evidence D, E, and F are important to understanding what is going on. What do you think about that?"

    Buzzard: "Your problem is you are going about it all wrong and if you werent so X then maybe people would take you seriously"

    Over, and over and over. Every single issue he makes it about me and/or some problem I have, never, ever will he talk about an issue. It is so exhausting and pitiful. I dont read his comments anymore.

    And I have an absolute 100% trust requirement for sharing credentials so we are not anywhere near that threshold. I have gladly lost jobs and lots of money over this, and been thrown under the bus when I disregarded my better judgement.

    Consider even in this case, what should be a simple af issue. I say A the incident report is significant B we are all admins here C it should be fun and D a lot of sites I have been at use downtime as a form of censorship. At least 3 people agree with upvotes, and 3 people say *this is trolling when it in no way is anything near a troll post* Disagree all you want but this is not the correct use of the word.

    And frankly it happens a lot here and when I complained about it to buzzard?

    "Dont be so butthurt" and that was the last time I bothered with IRC. Can you see why?

    Buzzards response to my simple, non acrimonious request, "how dare you disrespect my free volunteer labor and then ask for people to buy your book or contribute to your projects"

    MartyB Response "I am clutching my pearls at how you dare to insult buzzards free labor, we have been toiling here every day since before you were born"

    Do you see? The main question, "what happened and why" is just out the window, the entire issue as far as they are concerned is a personal problem with me.

    And so I cant take them seriously, and frankly your response to this comment will tell me quite a bit about how serious you are about the actual values of this site.

    I cannot stress this enough *constantly redirecting security questions back on the asker is a primary tactic of cop infiltrators and psych trolls*.

    Full stop.

    See my journal post or response to marty for full explanation. Read this if you are actually a civilian and dont just want to be a controlled opposition stooge: https://archive.is/u4d69 [archive.is]

    I have bled to learn these things and wasted much of my life trying to advance my economic interests or political beliefs in complete futility because no one the united states had a secret political repression police force that was worse than the stasi or kgb.

    Disbelieve me at your peril, or alternately if you are in on it or condone it, you had best hope there is no afterlife.

    • (Score: 5, Informative) by janrinok on Tuesday August 11 2020, @12:34PM (5 children)

      by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday August 11 2020, @12:34PM (#1034865) Journal

      First question, do you know what the "you cannot post to this page" error is?

      It would help if you told us where you got this response, please. However, it is telling you that you cannot write to that particular page. Until you provide more information I cannot provide you with a better answer.

      After some thought, the real reason I would not join the admin team is that I do not trust buzzard.

      That is your prerogative. However, you might be making the same mistake that others have made. Everybody in this community - including the staff - are entitled to express their personal opinions in comments or on IRC. Do not mistake that as someone representing the site as a whole unless they are speaking on behalf of the site. We normally make it clear when we speak for the site. Nevertheless, our personal view and opinions have absolutely no bearing on how professionally we act in maintaining this site. If any member of staff started to force his views onto the running of the site he would soon have the rest of the team at his throat. And, although it isn't visible to you, disagreements happen and are always resolved by discussion or common sense.

      Buzzards response to my simple, non acrimonious request, "how dare you disrespect my free volunteer labor and then ask for people to buy your book or contribute to your projects"

      No it wasn't. That comment [soylentnews.org] was made by an AC.

      Do you see? The main question, "what happened and why" is just out the window,

      Can you read? Try here [soylentnews.org].

      If you seriously believe that anything that happens on this site is because of our nefarious activities then you should most certainly leave - if I thought it were true I would go. The last time somebody accused us of maliciously removing his comments there was a 2-week long investigation and a full report was published on this site. We could prove beyond reasonable doubt that the missing comments were never received by this site - not that we had subsequently deleted them - but they never even reached our server. That is how seriously we take such accusations. We are not trying to control what is said, censor anybody who says something with which we disagree, or support any political view. If you think that we are then please leave.

      You can express any viewpoints you wish - but you cannot demand that the community must agree with you.

      Now I suggest that you go back and think about what has been written here and in the rest of this thread. If you don't like it just leave - we cannot nor will not stop you. But you will treated like any other member of our community if you decide to stay - 'Thems the rules'.

      • (Score: 1) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Wednesday August 12 2020, @08:42AM (4 children)

        by jmichaelhudsondotnet (8122) on Wednesday August 12 2020, @08:42AM (#1035449) Journal

        Yawn.

        Me: just want to know why site went down, this time, again, and learn more about linux, and confirm everything is on the up and up, and it seems I am getting quite a lot of malicious downvotes that abuse the voting mechanism offensively, and wth with this "you cant post to this page" error

        You and several people: the problem is all with you, see we can nitpick you here, and nitpick you there, and nitpick you everywhere and whatabout the whataboutism and how dare you and who do you think you are, and this one time we really did provide an incident report but it turned out to be nothing so it applies to this case, and if you are so cool why dont you do our work for us even though we are lying to your face and being dicks, and you are selfish even though most of what you are writing is in defense of the rights of other people and warning of actual danger, and this stack of logical errors and assholery at the end of the day means you are the one being the asshole.

        Anything else to add to that stack of logical fallacies and passive aggressive douchebaggery and diversion from the topic, and insinuation that I deserve abuse?

        I was hoping for more than an extended "muddy the water and fling more shit we would love it if you left" response. Or that you could even say what the sites error message means, when you are the admin. Or admit that the error message is itself incompetent microsoft level error handling.

        But here we are, with you and the admin team just sinking lower into my estimation. smh

        • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Wednesday August 12 2020, @06:46PM (2 children)

          by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday August 12 2020, @06:46PM (#1035707) Journal

          you could even say what the sites error message means

          If you are claiming that you cannot post to this thread, then how did you just post the previous comment?

          If you cannot post somewhere else - tell me on which page you are seeing the problem. We cannot help you if you don't tell us what you are trying to do, what you are actually seeing and which page you are seeing it on.

          You and several people: the problem is all with you, see we can nitpick you here, and nitpick you there, and nitpick you everywhere and whatabout the whataboutism and how dare you and who do you think you are, and this one time we really did provide an incident report but it turned out to be nothing so it applies to this case, and if you are so cool why dont you do our work for us even though we are lying to your face and being dicks, and you are selfish even though most of what you are writing is in defense of the rights of other people and warning of actual danger, and this stack of logical errors and assholery at the end of the day means you are the one being the asshole.

          Anything else to add to that stack of logical fallacies and passive aggressive douchebaggery and diversion from the topic, and insinuation that I deserve abuse?

          I suspect that ranting like this is why you are being moderated down. You claim to have written books - write something comprehensible here and perhaps we can converse intelligently with you.

          You wanted to know what had caused the site outage - if you read the link that I provided it answers the question that you asked.

          just want to know why site went down, this time, again, and learn more about linux

          Then stop rambling on and read what people are saying. The fault has been explained. If you don't understand the explanation then say so and ask (politely) for someone to explain it again to you.

          But here we are, with you and the admin team just sinking lower into my estimation.

          I hope that you eventually find a site that suits you better.

          • (Score: 1) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Thursday August 13 2020, @02:09PM (1 child)

            by jmichaelhudsondotnet (8122) on Thursday August 13 2020, @02:09PM (#1036137) Journal

            I went back and saw buzzards explanation, wow, that is all I wanted. It should ideally be placed in the original post about the event, not nested way down here.

            The "You cant post to this page" error happened, surprise, in this very thread, on monday night UTC. That is the best I can do, but it has happened before, usually after I have replied to one or two comments.

            Next time I see it I will give you the exact incident report and I can see the irony in this, on monday night I was frustrated and just had to set it down. I had written a few paragraphs I had to throw out.

            Did you know ranting is an actual art form, and that in the course of history entire famous books have been published and enjoyed that uset his form? As well as comedy and drama?

            If you cant see my point, that you cast aspersions on me when at first I wasnt even being angry or accusatory, at all, is really a problem with You. If you are actually trying to be sincere that is, something I am far from convinced of. It is simply *the most common* troll tactic on the internet. If you cant win the argument, attack the person. If you cant censor them outright, demoralize them until they go away.

            If you think this is fitting of the leader or admin of a community, maybe a lot of the negativity here is a rot that is coming from the head of the fish.

            And of course you ignore the pile of innacurate and offensive mod points I have gotten. If it were one, and that is frequently the case, I would overlook it, but this week I have gotten about a dozen posts that should be disagree but which were troll or flamebait. Which is the other top tactic of mods that are running a site as a pschyological operation for the government, ignore the abuse that actual trolls throw on well-meaning people, whose ideas you would like to censor but cannot without revealing the true nature of the site.

            And on top of that the "if you dont like it you can leave" or "my way or the highway" repeatedly encouraging me to just leave as a solution to a problem that should be yours, not mine. That is not what a community leader does, he should be trying to bring people together who contribute, not showing people the door at every opportunity.

            Am I not just talking about the values of a linux based community of people who want fair tech? More eyeballs, less bugs. More openness, less secrets. More accountability, less black boxes.

            I mean if you want to kick out the ideas of richard stallman and the core linux philosophies, you should let us know, and then I may have to decide to go somewhere else. But as long as my work gets seen here by some people who ostensibly have a sane attitude towards tech and systems, I will be here.

            Thanks though for your work, any of it that you do in earnest, however much or however little that may be.

            Oh one more thing, redditors are constantly clamoring for why there is no concerted movement against elite child abusers and epsteins victoria secret network, but sadly none of them are aware of my work and due to outright censorship there, I cant tell them about it,

            https://archive.is/10qKh [archive.is]

            So maybe if they knew about my domains someone would help me with them and their costs, or be more interested in my books. So even if it seems like everyone here wants me to shut up, anything you do to silence me is *an actual aid to people who harm children systematically on planet earth.* Same goes for this idiotic BLM solving racism with more racism balogna, the books that I wrote long before these events address these societal tensions directly, as well as the way they are steered by police agent provocateurs into utter idiocy, burning your country to the ground and hurting countless people for no discernible reason other than population control by those who clearly want to see your country in flames.

            If you sleep well on that side of things, says a lot about you.

            • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Thursday August 13 2020, @05:38PM

              by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Thursday August 13 2020, @05:38PM (#1036238) Journal

              I went back and saw buzzards explanation, wow, that is all I wanted. It should ideally be placed in the original post about the event, not nested way down here.

              There is a lesson there - read all the comments. The answer was posted 4 days ago and I pointed it out to you 2 days ago. They are not always immediately under where you might think because he was giving the explanation to somebody else who had asked in a polite manner, having let him get some sleep first.

              Did you know ranting is an actual art form, and that in the course of history entire famous books have been published and enjoyed that uset his form?

              Moderating down anybody who rants on this site is another art form. You have been educated.

              that you cast aspersions on me when at first I wasnt even being angry or accusatory

              "the database broke" just doesnt cut it. We are big boys who can actually understand log entries, why would you not post them?

              We disagree - TMB was sleeping after being up all night fixing the problem. You should learn to be patient and avoid sarcasm in the future.

              And of course you ignore the pile of innacurate and offensive mod points I have gotten.

              If people don't like you then there is nothing I can do to help you. Try changing how you treat other people and you might be surprised how things improve for you.

              And on top of that the "if you dont like it you can leave" or "my way or the highway" repeatedly encouraging me to just leave as a solution to a problem that should be yours, not mine.

              You were the one who claimed that you did not like this site because of the way you felt you were being treated. If you do not like this site why would you stay? You suggested that we were trying to censor views with which we did not agree - you even sent me diagrams showing how censorship works. Martyb answered that accusation [soylentnews.org] most eloquently. You are welcome to remain in this community but you have to earn respect here - you cannot just demand it.

              Thanks though for your work, any of it that you do in earnest, however much or however little that may be.

              Your thanks are appreciated. How much have I contributed? You can judge that for yourself: from my User ID (52) intro: "Linux User: 380191. Former Editor-in-Chief on our site (2016-2018). Programming experience: Real-time avionic systems, Algol, CORAL66, C, C++, Python. For fun: Computing and technology. I also play guitar, banjo and tin whistle." I have, additionally, edited over 5000 stories on to the front page. TMB, martyb and I (and many others) have been here since before the site went live. I would imagine that anybody with a userid of less than 200 or so has been here from the very beginning, many working in the background to keep this site going. (No offence intended to those who have been here from the start with userids greater than 200!)

              See you down the road...

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 13 2020, @04:02AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 13 2020, @04:02AM (#1035982)

          https://testlio.com/blog/the-ideal-bug-report/ [testlio.com]

          You should also note that without STR or ENV data, you might as well not even report one because no one would be able to track it down.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday August 11 2020, @09:52PM

      by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday August 11 2020, @09:52PM (#1035195) Homepage Journal

      the real reason I would not join the admin team is that I do not trust buzzard.

      Funny, that's the exact same reason I wouldn't be in favor of letting you join it.

      --
      My rights don't end where your fear begins.
  • (Score: 1) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Tuesday August 11 2020, @06:41AM (1 child)

    by jmichaelhudsondotnet (8122) on Tuesday August 11 2020, @06:41AM (#1034780) Journal

    Also sorry for double post after a dramatic full stop, but in my last 25 notifications there are over 10 spurious spam/troll/flamebait mods.

    And if you recall I had my mod privileges revoked for a single misclick on the spam mod button, which was admitted to be an interface bug.

    And in the context, it appears to me in all of these instances someone wants my viewpoints slid and minimized in the thread view.

    I would not complain if it were simply disagree, which is what I think these people would say if they were for real.

    Using the spam/troll/flamebait mod as an offensive info weapon against those you disagree with should not be allowed, and combined with selective enforcement of this is a known tactic to drive away people you want to silence.

    Are you aware of this dynamic, which has been noted at just about every forum site? And that this is one of the last places I can even post without outright censorship? And that my views on these matters are basically centrism circa 1990?
    https://archive.is/SoybE [archive.is]

    Also relevant:
    https://archive.is/uZI5P [archive.is]

    Your response will be telling, I look forward to it.

    • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday August 11 2020, @09:55PM

      by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday August 11 2020, @09:55PM (#1035198) Homepage Journal

      You mean the emails that you made no claim of it being a misclick until several email exchanges had taken place and we'd said that it would have been revoked had it been a misclick? Yeah, excuse us for being dubious.

      --
      My rights don't end where your fear begins.