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posted by martyb on Sunday August 23 2020, @12:18PM   Printer-friendly
from the pay-the-US-Postal-Service-to-do-the-testing dept.

AT&T, T-Mobile fight speed tests that could prove their coverage maps wrong;:

The carriers' objections came in response to the FCC seeking comment on a plan to improve the nation's inadequate broadband maps. Besides submitting more accurate coverage maps, the FCC plan would require carriers to do a statistically significant amount of drive testing.

"In order to help verify the accuracy of mobile providers' submitted coverage maps, we propose that carriers submit evidence of network performance based on a sample of on-the-ground tests that is statistically appropriate for the area tested," the FCC proposal issued in July 2020 said.

This could prevent repeats of cases in which carriers exaggerated their coverage in FCC filings, which can result in government broadband funding not going to the areas where it is needed most. Small carriers that compete against the big three in rural areas previously had to conduct drive tests at their own expense in order to prove that the large carriers didn't serve the areas they claimed to serve.

FCC Chairman Ajit Pai did not punish Verizon, T-Mobile, and US Cellular after finding that the carriers exaggerated their 4G coverage in official filings. But Pai is moving ahead with plans to require more accurate maps as mandated by Congress.

Previously:
(2019-12-05) FCC Says Wireless Carriers Lie about Coverage 40% of the Time
(2019-11-23) Verizon's New 5G Coverage Maps Show Just How Sparse the Network Is
(2019-02-17) "These Maps are Bogus": U.S. Lawmakers Tear Into Telecom Execs Over Spotty Rural Coverage


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  • (Score: 0, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 23 2020, @03:56PM (10 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 23 2020, @03:56PM (#1040822)

    You fail to establish relevance of your lame argument, so I'm the idiot. Got it. Lay your meaningless partisanship aside, and look at reality: Telcos have been cheating us all for the past 40 years. There is no right wing or left wing, no city or rural side to this. It's the telcos against everyone.

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  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by fustakrakich on Sunday August 23 2020, @04:38PM (7 children)

    by fustakrakich (6150) on Sunday August 23 2020, @04:38PM (#1040834) Journal

    It's the telcos against everyone.

    Yes, and the relevance comes from the people that vote for a corrupt congress that rubber stamps anything the telcos want. I don't know if that is a rural or an urban issue, but the votes do make a difference, or they could, if people tried.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 23 2020, @04:56PM (6 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 23 2020, @04:56PM (#1040843)

      I don't know if that is a rural or an urban issue,

      If it were a rural vs urban issue, then obviously, there are more ubanites than there are ruralites - which makes it their fault.

      • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Sunday August 23 2020, @04:59PM (1 child)

        by fustakrakich (6150) on Sunday August 23 2020, @04:59PM (#1040847) Journal

        Like, whatever...

        The point is that if people want better service they know what needs to be done.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 23 2020, @05:05PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 23 2020, @05:05PM (#1040850)

          Fustakrakich for dogcatcher 2020!!

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 23 2020, @10:23PM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 23 2020, @10:23PM (#1040936)

        That would be the case if the system we had were fair. The system wee have disproportionately favors small states and rural interests ahead of the interests of the majority. It's why urban decay is a real problem despite cities containing the engines of the economy and more people.

        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday August 24 2020, @02:01AM (2 children)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday August 24 2020, @02:01AM (#1040996) Journal

          interests of the majority.

          Perhaps, one day, something will happen to make you grateful that you DO NOT live in a pure democracy.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 24 2020, @03:17AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 24 2020, @03:17AM (#1041014)

            Not really, just look at all the things where the majority wants better, but we can't have it because hicks in red districts won't let us have it. And now they've got the Republicans elected in blue districts to follow suit.

            We can't have medicare for all or single payer healthcare. We spend ungodly sums of money on defense to the point where we're literally fighting the same groups that we've armed and trained. We can't get taxes on the rich and powerful. We can't get meaningful gun regulations. We can't get copyright or patent reform. We can't get banking reform. We can't have free and fair elections because one party rigs its own primaries and the other gerrymanders itself into as much of a permanent majority as possible.

            In short, there may come a time when I'd be glad that we aren't, but let's be honest about the fact that it only goes one way. The dipshits in those districts hold us back when the majority wants good things and pushes us faster when it wants bad things. They pushed for all manner of idiotic wars, but not when it comes to doing things like providing medical care for everybody which would benefit them more than those in cities.

            • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Monday August 24 2020, @03:34AM

              by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday August 24 2020, @03:34AM (#1041021) Journal

              We can't have medicare for all or single payer healthcare.

              Uhhhhmmmmm, didn't the Dems have a shot at that? And, what did they give us instead? That abominable "affordable health care" nonsense. And, what happened to your insurance premiums? I'll tell you flat out that my insurance has almost doubled since Bush was in office, and the service provided has largely gone to hell. I pay for the "cadillac" policy, but out of pocket expenses are much higher than before the ACA. The deductible for the cadillac plan is higher than the standard plan I used to carry.

              If you put your faith in liberals to give you medicare for all, you're going to be sorely disappointed.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 24 2020, @03:25AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 24 2020, @03:25AM (#1041017)

    No, I managed it just fine, you're just too fucking stupid to connect the dots. You claim that I've failed to establish relevance, but you're also too fucking stupid to be able to support that claim. It's a typical tactic of people too stupid to know how to argue, they can't raise cogent objections, so they claim the other side failed to meet the burden of proof. Which to an extent is fine, if I haven't met the burden of proof to change your mind, that's something you get to decide for yourself.

    But, to claim that the anti-tax, anti-regulation politicians that mainly win on the basis of rural votes doesn't establish relevance is either disingenuous or monumental stupidity. Those politicians are the driving force behind corporations being allowed to take the money and not deliver. The other party pursuing those voters is what makes it happen even quicker. Neither party really wants urban voters and it's rather clear.

    Which is rather ridiculous considering that they're going after a minority of the vote and that size of that contingency continues to shrink making it more and more farcical with every election.

    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday August 24 2020, @03:44AM

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday August 24 2020, @03:44AM (#1041026) Journal

      Sorry, sonny. You mention burden of proof, among other things? But, you haven't even established relevance. Let us go back to the point I started at:

      Big corporations are fucking us, each and every one of us. You point at the voters in "flyover country". I ask you about the relevance of those voters. Bear in mind, both parties have voted to give all that money to the telcos. Every election cycle the telcos get more money. So, how does it matter how flyover country votes? It is irrelevant.

      Bottom line, you are fucked whether there is a D or an R in any, or in all offices in Washington. And, Establishment Joe sure as hell isn't going to change anything.

      See if you can find some old Perry Mason reruns, and try to figure out what an objection of relevancy is all about. Pointing fingers at rural folk isn't going to improve your internet service, anywhere in this country.