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A 25-year-old resident of Reno, Nevada was infected with the pandemic coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, two times, about 48-days apart, with the second infection causing a more severe case of COVID-19 than the first and requiring hospitalization and oxygen support.
That's according to a draft study, led by researchers at the University of Nevada and posted online. The study has not been published by a scientific journal and has not been peer-reviewed. Still, it drew quick attention from researchers, who have been examining data from the first confirmed case of a SARS-CoV-2 reinfection, reported earlier this week.
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Amid the more than 24.5 million cases worldwide, it is completely expected to find some recovered patients who are not completely protected by their immune responses and are thus vulnerable to reinfection.The big question is: how common is this scenario?
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Tuesday September 01 2020, @01:57PM (21 children)
You're underestimating the danger, but most people I know overestimate it. And one of the "underlying conditions" that make you more likely to have a bad reaction to COVID is having a blood type other than O. Another is being male.
Personally, I'm not sure these "underlying conditions" are actually contributory, but suspect that they're markers correlated to a common underlying problem, possibly something about the reaction of sugar in the blood. But that *is* a guess. If so, it's nothing blatantly obvious. It would be interesting to know what percentage of the cases were on a ketosis diet.
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(Score: 3, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday September 01 2020, @02:09PM (8 children)
No, the underlying conditions mentioned are not being male or your blood type. They are other diseases, injuries, and otherwise unhealthy medical conditions. RTFA.
And, no, I'm not underestimating a damned thing. I'm taking and citing the best numbers available and drawing the only conclusion remotely supported by those numbers.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 4, Informative) by RandomFactor on Tuesday September 01 2020, @04:01PM (2 children)
Two things can be true at once.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm [cdc.gov]
(see Table 3)
6% of Covid deaths are from Covid alone.
94% of Covid deaths involved at least one other underlying health condition, and on average 2.6 additional conditions or causes of death.
The following were listed co conditions/causes
Influenza and pneumonia
Respiratory failure
Hypertensive disease
Diabetes
Vascular and unspecified dementia
Cardiac Arrest
Heart failure
Renal failure
Intentional and unintentional injury, poisoning and other adverse events
Other medical conditions
Things start to break and weaken after 50, so age makes sense for being a correlation in disease caused deaths of almost any sort, and age can certainly be correlated positively with all of the above conditions.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investigations-discovery/hospitalization-death-by-age.html [cdc.gov]
Comparing just on age, a 50-64yo with covid has 30x the risk of death vs an 18-29yo.
There is a correlation between blood types and disease risk seen [mit.edu] with O and AB less likely to test positive, and A at increased risk.
В «Правде» нет известий, в «Известиях» нет правды
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday September 01 2020, @04:07PM (1 child)
O FTW, BITCHES!
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by RandomFactor on Tuesday September 01 2020, @05:30PM
Kinda liking that one m'self :-)
В «Правде» нет известий, в «Известиях» нет правды
(Score: 2) by sjames on Tuesday September 01 2020, @05:12PM (4 children)
The thing is, many of those underlying conditions would never have been the patient's cause of death.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 01 2020, @08:18PM (2 children)
The thing is, the patient was going to die eventually, anyway. Covid may have hastened that death, or it may not have. Roll 5 d20, any result over 96 says Covid was the killer.
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday September 02 2020, @12:37AM
Yes, that seems to be the message from certain ...people.
"Some of you are going to die, but that's a price I'm prepared to pay".
(Score: 2) by sjames on Wednesday September 02 2020, @09:21AM
Everybody will die eventually, but for some reason we still try to avoid it and we still throw people in prison if they speed the process up for someone else.
Sounds like you're the kind of generous person that will cheerfully give yourself the shirt right off of someone else's back.
(Score: 2) by VLM on Tuesday September 01 2020, @10:23PM
I was bored enough to research it, it seems to be the majority of causes of death, according to
https://www.cdc.gov/Nchs/data/ahcd/agingtrends/06olderpersons.pdf [cdc.gov]
Chinese Flu condition list accounts for 32 + 8 + 6 + 3 + 3 + 2 = 54% of death certificate causes
Non-Chinese flu death certificate causes in the top 10 include cancer at 22%, Alzheimers at 3%, accidents around 2% and septicemia around 2%.
I had to look up septicemia to figure out what it is; hell it kills about 1 in 50 Americans. Turns out its undifferentiated infection where your body starts rotting before you finish dying. That sucks. I'd be willing to "give" septicemia to either argument for or against although I felt pessimistic so I filed it as against.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 01 2020, @02:12PM (11 children)
Yes, sugar competes for entry into cells with vitamin c. These covid patients all have pretty much zero vitamin c left (literally undetectable in 95% of covid patients) and tons of sugar blocking the little that remains so their bodies degenerate.
This was already submitted to soylent here: https://soylentnews.org/submit.pl?op=viewsub&subid=43092¬e=&title=Vitamin+C+levels+in+patients+with+SARS-CoV-2-associated+acute+respiratory+distress+syndrome+ [soylentnews.org]
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16195374/ [nih.gov]
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4024712/ [nih.gov]
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday September 01 2020, @02:37PM (10 children)
Wonder if any of the folks they've found this issue in have been doing the ketosis thing. Little to no glucose in your system should mean it'd have a very hard time causing any problems with vitamin C uptake.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 01 2020, @03:30PM (9 children)
Looks like they didnt get any patients: https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04358835 [clinicaltrials.gov]
Here they recommend trying a low carb diet: https://ebm.bmj.com/content/early/2020/07/09/bmjebm-2020-111451 [bmj.com]
Other people suggest injecting ketones directly: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7362813/ [nih.gov]
But yea I don't see any reports of diet and covid, I would expect a keto diet is beneficial though.
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday September 01 2020, @03:38PM (8 children)
So smoke, do keto, take vitamin C, go play outside, and if you're in possession of huge amounts of melanin take some vitamin D. Sounds a lot less burdensome than wearing a mask.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 01 2020, @03:46PM (3 children)
I'd only add get a pulse oximeter and if you feel sick and your spO2 starts dropping do not wait for weeks before getting supplemental oxygen. And the best way to do that is probably hyperbaric chambers. Especially since its now being reported that methemoglbin levels are high and total hemoglobin levels are low. HBOT bypasses hemoglobin and forces the oxygen to dissolve directly in the blood.
https://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0014299920305860 [elsevier.com]
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ajh.25868 [wiley.com]
We've known all this since mid-April (some since February). Everyone who has died since then has died from inept medical treatment.
(Score: 2) by RS3 on Tuesday September 01 2020, @04:12PM (2 children)
My biggest frustration, mostly with "news" media: so much talk and stories and very little useful information. Thank you for useful information.
Q: do you know- what is the specific mechanism of death due to COVID-19??
The best I've been able to glean through all the noise is low blood O2 due to lung inflammation.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 01 2020, @06:11PM (1 child)
ARDS or blood clots, afaik.
(Score: 2) by RS3 on Tuesday September 01 2020, @07:26PM
Yes, thanks, and that's the general symptom diagnosis. I was wondering if anyone has more detailed specifics about the underlying mechanism.
AFAIK it's lung inflammation due to overactive immune response (in the lungs), and the dexamethasone steroid treatment is radically helping:
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/question-and-answers-hub/q-a-detail/q-a-dexamethasone-and-covid-19?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIg-aQ2dbI6wIVirbICh3KbQomEAAYASAAEgK7TvD_BwE [who.int]
It's not without downsides, but this seems to be an improved medication regimen:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2769100 [jamanetwork.com]
(Score: 3, Insightful) by https on Tuesday September 01 2020, @08:40PM (3 children)
What we have here is further evidence that you have murder in your heart.
And before you go "WTF, where do you get that from?!?", ask yourself why you're OK with not performing a simple action which doing, saves lives, and not doing endangers lives.
You really, really, really should go and look up the definition of pandemic. Like it or not, you're in the same foxhole as everyone else in the world. You're like the new recruit who has decided to take up juggling hand grenades out of boredom.
Offended and laughing about it.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 01 2020, @10:41PM
If you hide inside, avoid the doctor until you have been sick for weeks, and then get put on a ventilator right away, then you will die of covid. If you take the measures recommended by the parent you will be fine.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday September 02 2020, @03:08PM
Do you know what happens to a pandemic that 99.9+% of people survive when you let everyone get it and become immune long enough to not catch the same strain again? That strain goes the fuck away permanently and the death toll for the first year is the entire death toll for all time. When you drag it out you allow time for acquired immunity to be lost and absolutely guarantee that your death toll will be much, much higher.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 02 2020, @05:20PM
shut the fuck up, you stupid bitch.