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A 25-year-old resident of Reno, Nevada was infected with the pandemic coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, two times, about 48-days apart, with the second infection causing a more severe case of COVID-19 than the first and requiring hospitalization and oxygen support.
That's according to a draft study, led by researchers at the University of Nevada and posted online. The study has not been published by a scientific journal and has not been peer-reviewed. Still, it drew quick attention from researchers, who have been examining data from the first confirmed case of a SARS-CoV-2 reinfection, reported earlier this week.
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Amid the more than 24.5 million cases worldwide, it is completely expected to find some recovered patients who are not completely protected by their immune responses and are thus vulnerable to reinfection.The big question is: how common is this scenario?
(Score: 2) by epitaxial on Tuesday September 01 2020, @02:44PM (29 children)
Does that make the information learned about the virus any less valuable? It causes long term damage to critical organs. We won't know the extent for years to come. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-long-term-effects/art-20490351 [mayoclinic.org]
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday September 01 2020, @03:00PM (19 children)
That's what really worries me to be honest. It's like how when in warfare you want to wound enemy soldiers rather than kill them; a wounded soldier is much more of a drag on the enemy than a dead one. The knock-on effects of coronavirus infection are the real terror, especially because you can bet your last slim dime they'll be called "pre-existing conditions" in the US.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday September 01 2020, @03:34PM (8 children)
Um, pre-existing conditions are irrelevant nowadays. Did you forget?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Touché) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday September 01 2020, @06:20PM (7 children)
Um, Trumplethinskin and his merry crew of sociopaths are trying to kill the ACA, did you forget?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday September 02 2020, @03:30PM (6 children)
And? Do you see it actually happening?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday September 02 2020, @08:35PM (5 children)
Hell yes I see it happening, if this fat orange sack of Oompa Loompa turds gets "elected" "again."
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday September 03 2020, @04:52PM (4 children)
You should at least drop the hysterical bullshit within the confines of your own head, even if you feel the need to use it because your side otherwise can't even resonate enough with the public to beat the absolute worst presidential candidate in history to actually win the office. The only way for that to actually happen is for the Reps to get a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. And retake the House. And convince the executive to go along with it.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday September 03 2020, @05:03PM (3 children)
That isn't hysteria you fool. Nothing is sacred, nothing is safe, and nothing can be taken for granted any longer, especially not if this asshole manages to get a second term in office.
You should be more concerned about yourself than me; you have an unhealthy lifestyle and no connections to other human beings who could or would care to help you in case everything goes to Hell, and you're stuck out in the ass end of the People's Republic of Incestistan. You are nowhere near as intelligent, canny, self-reliant, or cunning as you like to think you are, and the kind of chaos a second Trump term would cause will kill you.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday September 03 2020, @05:27PM (2 children)
A party without better approval ratings than the Rs have taking the House is pretty unlikely, even given the current approval ratings of the Ds. Getting 67 seats in the Senate is just mathematically impossible without assassinations to free up more than the 12 seats held by Democrats that are up for reelection this year. So, yeah, you're saying the sky is falling when it's clearly not.
It's so sweet you worry about me. We should go fishing together sometime.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday September 04 2020, @02:13AM (1 child)
That's an idea, but I can't imagine any fish would want a bite out of you...and considering what catfish eat, *that* is saying something.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday September 04 2020, @04:37AM
Hey, I shower several times a year. Whether I need it or not.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by choose another one on Tuesday September 01 2020, @04:27PM (9 children)
Well, to be brutally honest the amount of drag may be a wash - the western countries most affected already had large numbers of people with chronic, expensive, conditions, and there's only so many things you can get before you just die and stop being a drag anyway.
But yes, this thing is looking more and more like our generation's polio. Polio or covid?:
70-80% get no symptoms (but can happily spread it)
1-5% need hospital
no cure, only treatment of symptoms, ventilation and recovery assistance
1% left with long term damage
Few people these days will know polio survivors, I had the privilege of knowing one. Polio didn't kill her, cancer did, but only after (I believe) 50 odd years of being dependent on others (and the state) and on the oxygen bottles she dragged behind her as she shuffled around. Lovely person, I don't think I would have coped with that life half as well as she did.
It'll be decades before we know the full consequences of covid, if anyone wants some extra fun reading to prove that, look up "encephalitis lethargica" - appeared and spread a lot (sometimes termed an epidemic in it's own right) in the decades after Spanish Flu and then seemed to disappear, we still don't really know if it was actually a post-spanish-flu syndrome.
(Score: 2) by choose another one on Tuesday September 01 2020, @09:46PM (8 children)
Well that attempt to use gt / lt chars showed up different in preview to submitted, I swear, weird. Should have been:
[less than] 1% die
[greater than] 1% left with long term damage
Just imagine the proper characters, one day I'll figure out how to get them to appear in a post.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 02 2020, @06:46AM
It's a trap.
& lt (< if you take the space out) shows up fine in preview, but SN changes it in the input text field to the actual character when it displays the preview. This turns it into opening a tag. The way to get around it is to copy the entirety of what you typed in the text box, then do preview. If it's ok, empty the text box and then paste in what you copied.
(Score: 3, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday September 02 2020, @03:34PM (6 children)
Use < and > and it should work fine. That's done intentionally to keep arbitrary tags from being a thing and to keep the balanceTags sub viable.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by deimtee on Wednesday September 02 2020, @09:22PM (3 children)
Yeah, they work fine but preview changes them in the input box. You click preview, it looks fine, click submit, it's messed up unless you edited all the converted < and > back to the & codes.
If you cough while drinking cheap red wine it really cleans out your sinuses.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday September 03 2020, @04:44PM (2 children)
Nah, I checked on this very comment and properly written entities do in fact stay entities; exactly as you keyed them in. It's when you don't include the semi-colon that is most definitely part of any HTML entity that things go wonky. <see?>
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by deimtee on Saturday September 05 2020, @07:20PM (1 child)
Ah. I am not much of an HTML weenie. They worked with just < and > so I just assumed that was the correct code and that it changing in the comment box was a bug.
If you cough while drinking cheap red wine it really cleans out your sinuses.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday September 06 2020, @12:39AM
Nah, it was a bug that they worked without the semicolon. We have to make our bugs pretty stealthy or martyb finds them before we can roll them out.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Informative) by choose another one on Wednesday September 02 2020, @09:42PM (1 child)
Yeah, I knew I had to use the entities and thought I had, and checked it in preview...
I have played around a bit and figured out what I did:
- if you forget the semicolon (so use "< >")
- and then use preview, it shows up "correct" (as expected if you had remembered the ; i.e. "< >" ) in the _preview_
- BUT it also turns it into < > in the _comment_
- so if you forget the semicolon, hit preview, check preview, and then submit, your posted comment is not like the preview
Not sure if you consider that a bug or just an idiot user who hasn't edited raw html in a long time (and doesn't miss it). Hopefully I've actually got the html entities right this time so it makes sense...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday September 03 2020, @04:40PM
Weird, it shouldn't. Quality legit bug find there. Added to the tracker.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday September 01 2020, @03:33PM
They're testing for damage during and after cases of coronaids. If they don't have the at least similar tests run on the same person within a reasonable time span before it was contracted, the test is meaningless and not a single inference can legitimately be drawn. You can not declare that there are nails in someone's driveway by observing that they have a flat tire, you have to rule out everywhere else they've been or find the actual nails in the actual driveway.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by slinches on Tuesday September 01 2020, @04:10PM (7 children)
I'm still looking for data on how prevalent that sort of thing is. Yeah it has been shown some of those who survive will have some lasting impact to their health, but how many show this kind of thing and how does the prevalence relate to the duration and severity of symptoms? The article you linked to doesn't say and none of the others I have seen do either.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday September 01 2020, @04:36PM (6 children)
I am too. Apparently it's pretty much impossible to find though. Which very much does not make sense. You'd think if it were a legitimate worry like the medical talking heads keep saying, they'd at least have some numbers that are as fudged as the death rate to point to.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by slinches on Tuesday September 01 2020, @05:17PM (5 children)
Yeah, the numbers in general seem pretty suspect. I know a lot of people are talking about the death rate and comorbidities, but there are some crazy inconsistencies in the case numbers that no one else even seems to notice. For instance, here in AZ we have over 30,000 more confirmed cases than total positive tests (PCR and serology combined). How is that even possible? The case count should be less than the positive test count since a test is required to confirm a case and some people test positive more than once.
(Score: 2, Informative) by khallow on Tuesday September 01 2020, @06:52PM (3 children)
Start with questioning your assumptions. The above one is false. The CDC also counts cases that are considered likely to be covid. I found that out when I was trying to resolve a discrepancy between CDC and state of Wyoming numbers.
(Score: 2) by slinches on Wednesday September 02 2020, @01:18AM (2 children)
The CDC and AZDHS both list confirmed and probable cases for Arizona. I was only considering the confirmed cases, which requires a positive test per the CDCs guidelines. Also, there are only a small number of probable cases listed anyway (~1%). So no, I'm not just misinterpreting the numbers.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday September 02 2020, @01:20PM (1 child)
Then sounds like AZDHS doesn't have similar requirements.
(Score: 2) by slinches on Wednesday September 02 2020, @04:00PM
Their numbers are the same. There's a small delay, so they don't match exactly at all times, but it's within a few thousand cases and same percentage of confirmed vs. probable.
Go check out the data dashboard at azdhs.gov. Test counts and % positive are there and just hover your mouse over the case count to get the confirmed and probable numbers.
(Score: 2) by choose another one on Tuesday September 01 2020, @10:16PM
Lots of places count suspected cases as well, if diagnosed medically. Once the doctors have seen enough of this they know damn well what it looks like (in it's severe forms), for example some of the lung damage seen on CTs is pretty darned unique to covid. False negative rate is pretty high on the PCR tests due to sampling process, some people have tested negative multiple times but still have _something_ that is typical for covid and atypical for everything else.
Beyond that there are suspect numbers all over the place, partly because cause-of-death is not a black and white thing. If you have a long-term heart condition, have a stroke while driving, crash the car, survive but die of a heart attack while the ambulance waits out side a hospital overflowing with covid patients, did you die of the heart condition, the stroke, the crash or the inadequate hospital... or covid? What if you have a heart condition, OD on drugs, then a thug kneels on your neck, then you have a cardiac arrest?
Today in the UK the NHS announced 10 new covid deaths in hospitals. Today's final official total, including hospitals, care homes and deaths in the community - 3. Work that one out.