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posted by Fnord666 on Wednesday September 02 2020, @05:14AM   Printer-friendly
from the the-second-mouse-gets-the-cheese dept.

Empirical evidence that nice people don't always finish last:

Think your boss is a jerk? Wonder why the management of your organization consists of sociopaths? Some academic researchers suspect you're not alone, and they start their new paper with the statement, "We suffer no shortage of jerks in power." And they go on to ask the obvious question raised by this fact: "Does being a jerk help people attain power?"

To find out, the researchers set up a very long-term experiment. After administering personality surveys to undergrad and MBA students, they waited over a decade to follow up and find out which personality types had accrued power in the world of employment. The results suggest that jerks don't necessarily get ahead at work; instead, some of the consequences of being unpleasant offset the benefits that it might otherwise provide.

[...] The good news here is that, as the researchers put it, "individuals who were more selfish, combative, and deceitful did not, subsequently, attain higher power." So, nice people do not necessarily finish last. But, at the same time, nobody seems to be held back by displaying that list of behaviors on the job.

Journal Reference:
Cameron Anderson, Daron L. Sharps, Christopher J. Soto, et al. People with disagreeable personalities (selfish, combative, and manipulative) do not have an advantage in pursuing power at work [$], Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (DOI: 10.1073/pnas.2005088117)


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  • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday September 02 2020, @12:25PM (24 children)

    by Phoenix666 (552) on Wednesday September 02 2020, @12:25PM (#1045335) Journal

    Hmm, at night women generally prefer nice guys who finish last.

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  • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by Bot on Wednesday September 02 2020, @12:34PM

    by Bot (3902) on Wednesday September 02 2020, @12:34PM (#1045341) Journal

    SIC PHOENIX SEX SEX SEX LOCVTVS EST
    NOMEN OMEN

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  • (Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Wednesday September 02 2020, @02:16PM (1 child)

    by maxwell demon (1608) on Wednesday September 02 2020, @02:16PM (#1045378) Journal

    You observed that? Are you a voyeur? :-)

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    • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday September 02 2020, @04:49PM

      by Phoenix666 (552) on Wednesday September 02 2020, @04:49PM (#1045461) Journal

      More of a voyageur, but I have done some livin'...

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  • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday September 02 2020, @02:29PM (20 children)

    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday September 02 2020, @02:29PM (#1045388) Homepage Journal

    No, they don't. The finishing last part, yes, but a large percentage of women apparently have to make a special effort to not actively seek out assholes by preference.

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    • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 02 2020, @04:29PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 02 2020, @04:29PM (#1045445)

      So why aren't you rolling in pussy? Keep getting mugged by an old Chinese lady with an ugly bat?

    • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday September 02 2020, @08:32PM (17 children)

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Wednesday September 02 2020, @08:32PM (#1045573) Journal

      That's one of the incel-iest things I've heard out of you yet, and you say a lot of incel-sounding shit. Weren't you just going on in the IRC chat room the other day about having a bunch of one-night stands or something? Something doesn't add up here :)

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      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 02 2020, @09:10PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 02 2020, @09:10PM (#1045595)

        You just gave him the perfect segway to say he admits he is an asshole that's why he keeps getting laid, QED. Which will make himself and the other teenybopper edge lords feel all manly and self righteous.

      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday September 03 2020, @04:29PM (15 children)

        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday September 03 2020, @04:29PM (#1045910) Homepage Journal

        No, tard, that's an observation from a guy who finds it entirely too easy to get his dick wet partially because of that fact. I science'd it back in my 20s and there's a more than 100% higher hook up rate if you actively dial down the niceness.

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        • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday September 04 2020, @01:57AM (14 children)

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday September 04 2020, @01:57AM (#1046162) Journal

          I love how you reveal more and more what a broken, failed attempt at a human being you are pretty much every time you reply with something about yourself.

          You don't seem capable of real intimacy or a sustained relationship. Your partners are basically ambulatory Fleshlights for you. And if that works for you two, hey, go for it, just be safe about STDs and pregnancy. But what a shallow, sad, empty excuse for a love life. I feel sorry for any woman (or man, not judging...) who decides to hook up with you, mostly because it means they're similarly broken.

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          • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday September 04 2020, @04:29AM (13 children)

            by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Friday September 04 2020, @04:29AM (#1046203) Homepage Journal

            You picked that up from a guy in his late teens and early 20s wanting to get laid? Shit, no wonder you're a misanthropic lesbian. That's pretty much all of us. I just have a programmer's mindset and it showed me what works and what doesn't. Don't blame me if your gender is provably fucked in the head in easily exploitable ways.

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            • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday September 04 2020, @02:30PM (12 children)

              by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday September 04 2020, @02:30PM (#1046317) Journal

              See previous comment. Jesus Haploid Christ, you are a sociopath. No, you are not "normal," no, that is not "pretty much all of us," and hey, I didn't choose to be gay...though the older I get the more I'm glad to be! Ye gods.

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              • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday September 05 2020, @04:30PM (11 children)

                by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Saturday September 05 2020, @04:30PM (#1046820) Homepage Journal

                You have never been a guy in his teens or twenties. Don't even presume to question someone who has on the intensity of the male sex drive during that timespan. You will be wrong every single time.

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                • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday September 06 2020, @05:19PM (10 children)

                  by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday September 06 2020, @05:19PM (#1047224) Journal

                  Sounds like plain ol' dudebro entitlement to me, thinking your dick has right of way over other peoples' bodies.

                  I don't give a damn HOW horny you are, or that apparently the Goddess gave you only enough blood to run one head at a time. You do not lead with your dick. And why do you think women don't get scarily horny, anyway?

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                  • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday September 07 2020, @12:17PM (9 children)

                    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Monday September 07 2020, @12:17PM (#1047533) Homepage Journal

                    Exploiting a common bit of idiocy in your gender is not a failing of ours in any way. Be less incredibly stupid if you don't want us to take advantage of it.

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                    • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday September 08 2020, @05:50PM (8 children)

                      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday September 08 2020, @05:50PM (#1047908) Journal

                      And you did it again! :) Amazing!

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                      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday September 09 2020, @02:20PM (7 children)

                        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday September 09 2020, @02:20PM (#1048296) Homepage Journal

                        You're not getting it. There is no conflict between the heads at that age, because there is no rational reason to not enjoy yourself as much as you feel the desire to with random women if you're not currently in a monogamous relationship. Not being nice to you is no different than showering before going out; they're both giving you what you want. If you want to be upset, be upset that a large percentage of your gender is either stupid enough or insane enough to want that shit. You don't get to be upset for us giving you what you want.

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                        • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday September 09 2020, @06:34PM (6 children)

                          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Wednesday September 09 2020, @06:34PM (#1048508) Journal

                          Oh, don't get the wrong impression, I'm never going to...like, what's the woman version of "white knight?" Whatever it is I won't be doing that for any woman dumb enough to lower themselves to that level. I just pity them. They should value themselves more.

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                          • (Score: 1, Troll) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday September 10 2020, @01:19AM (5 children)

                            by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday September 10 2020, @01:19AM (#1048707) Homepage Journal

                            Shurg, I have no idea why they do it. I just chalk it up to part of the standard insanity that comes with not having a Y chromosome.

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                            • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday September 10 2020, @01:30AM (4 children)

                              by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday September 10 2020, @01:30AM (#1048715) Journal

                              Three for three, wow. See, this is the surest sign you're a sociopath, that you seriously have no idea, not the smallest inkling, that the awful shit you say *is* awful.

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                              • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday September 10 2020, @02:08AM (3 children)

                                by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday September 10 2020, @02:08AM (#1048742) Homepage Journal

                                You need to read up on the words "sociopath" and "empathy". Either you don't have a clue what they mean or you are so bad at empathy yourself that you may very well be one.

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                                • (Score: 1, Troll) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday September 10 2020, @02:19AM (2 children)

                                  by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday September 10 2020, @02:19AM (#1048751) Journal

                                  Good Lord, don't even try that shit. You've shown what you are to all and sundry thousands of times and no one will buy that weak pisswater you're selling now.

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                                  • (Score: 1, Troll) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday September 11 2020, @02:55PM (1 child)

                                    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Friday September 11 2020, @02:55PM (#1049518) Homepage Journal

                                    Clue: Empathy does not mean letting your decisions and actions be determined by what someone else feels. It also doesn't require or even suggest have that feeling echoed in you for you to feel as well or even that you give a shit what they feel in any way.

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                                    • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday September 11 2020, @04:11PM

                                      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday September 11 2020, @04:11PM (#1049542) Journal

                                      Holy shit, the second sentence is the DEFINITION OF EMPATHY. Just being able to understand someone else's emotional state on an intellectual level is a necessary but insufficient prerequisite. Emotional intelligence is not empathy, it's just a component of it.

                                      You don't know what words mean. And you refuse to learn then. Barbara Hudson is right, you've proven without a shadow of a doubt you're a psychopath when you say this specific thing. And further proof is that you don't even understand why this is a bad look. Fuck me, but you're a piece of work...

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