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posted by takyon on Thursday September 03 2020, @10:35PM   Printer-friendly
from the duh dept.

NSA spying exposed by Snowden was illegal and not very useful, court says:

The National Security Agency's bulk collection of phone metadata from telecom providers was illegal, a federal appeals court ruled yesterday. The court also found that the phone-metadata collection exposed by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden was not necessary for the arrests of terror suspects in a case that the US government cited in defending the necessity of the surveillance program.

The ruling by the US Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit upheld the 2013 convictions of "four members of the Somali diaspora for sending, or conspiring to send, $10,900 to Somalia to support a foreign terrorist organization." But the Somalis' challenge of the NSA spying program yielded some significant findings. In part, the ineffectiveness of the phone-metadata collection helped ensure that the convictions would be upheld because the illegally collected metadata evidence wasn't significant enough to taint evidence that was legally collected by the government. The government got what it needed from a wiretap of defendant Basaaly Saeed Moalin's phone, not from the mass collection of metadata.

The court's three-judge panel unanimously "held that the metadata collection exceeded the scope of Congress's authorization in 50 U.S.C. § 1861, which required the government to make a showing of relevance to a particular authorized investigation before collecting the records, and that the program therefore violated that section of FISA [Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act]," the ruling said.

The judges also wrote that "the government may have violated the Fourth Amendment when it collected the telephony metadata of millions of Americans, including at least one of the defendants." But the judges didn't make a ruling on the potential Fourth Amendment violation because it wasn't necessary to decide the case. While "the Fourth Amendment requires notice to a criminal defendant" when prosecutors want to use evidence from surveillance at trial, the judges "did not decide whether the government failed to prove any required notice in this case because the lack of such notice did not prejudice the defendants," the ruling said.


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  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday September 03 2020, @11:56PM (4 children)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday September 03 2020, @11:56PM (#1046125) Journal

    But more importantly, I'm not sure why the usefulness of the collected data enters into the picture. The minute it's illegal, it's unacceptable - useful or not.

    The question was whether it "poisoned" the conviction. If this illegally acquired information was needed for the conviction, then the conviction is poisoned as well and has to be overturned. But by being deemed "useless" the conviction was allowed to stand.

    To use a car example, suppose the police put a tracker on my car without a warrant or probable cause, and hence, illegally. If later, they catch me smuggling Canadian maple syrup on the basis of that illegal tracker, then they can't convict me. But if their case doesn't rely on the illegal tracker (say because someone more competent built up a case using legally acquired evidence), then the conviction isn't threatened by the illegal activity.

  • (Score: 2) by Rosco P. Coltrane on Friday September 04 2020, @01:16AM

    by Rosco P. Coltrane (4757) on Friday September 04 2020, @01:16AM (#1046143)

    Well it is the NSA we're talking about. Almost none of the three letter agencies really care about due process anymore. Just throw in the terrorist word and the law doesn't apply anymore - at least, no law that respect the constitution.

  • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 04 2020, @07:48AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 04 2020, @07:48AM (#1046240)

    Unless that other someone was parallelconstructing your case. And you won't really know if he was.

    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday September 05 2020, @12:45AM

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday September 05 2020, @12:45AM (#1046632) Journal
      That's a big point. If it's great for parallel construction and given the near lack of downside to getting caught, that's the payoff Runaway was looking for.
  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 04 2020, @12:25PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 04 2020, @12:25PM (#1046286)

    It probably wasn't particularly useful in this case as the money had to get out of the country and to those groups somehow. Given the amount of attention that money traveling through the banking system gets, I'd be surprised if they were really counting on phone details for the conviction.

    More likely, they got the tip-off in some other way and this was just something they were using to strengthen their case and they were allowed to use it.

    There's all this attention being paid to the police as if it's an isolated issue, but the reality is that as long as prosecutors and courts are going along with these blatantly unconstitutional methods of investigation and prosecution, what the cops do is going to be at most a minor concern. Not being shot by cops is typically pretty easy, to arrange, in virtually all cases the deceased was running or fighting with them. If you don't do either of those two things, the likelihood of being shot drops to damn near zero. If there's an actual issue, that's what the courts are for.