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posted by takyon on Thursday September 03 2020, @10:35PM   Printer-friendly
from the duh dept.

NSA spying exposed by Snowden was illegal and not very useful, court says:

The National Security Agency's bulk collection of phone metadata from telecom providers was illegal, a federal appeals court ruled yesterday. The court also found that the phone-metadata collection exposed by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden was not necessary for the arrests of terror suspects in a case that the US government cited in defending the necessity of the surveillance program.

The ruling by the US Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit upheld the 2013 convictions of "four members of the Somali diaspora for sending, or conspiring to send, $10,900 to Somalia to support a foreign terrorist organization." But the Somalis' challenge of the NSA spying program yielded some significant findings. In part, the ineffectiveness of the phone-metadata collection helped ensure that the convictions would be upheld because the illegally collected metadata evidence wasn't significant enough to taint evidence that was legally collected by the government. The government got what it needed from a wiretap of defendant Basaaly Saeed Moalin's phone, not from the mass collection of metadata.

The court's three-judge panel unanimously "held that the metadata collection exceeded the scope of Congress's authorization in 50 U.S.C. § 1861, which required the government to make a showing of relevance to a particular authorized investigation before collecting the records, and that the program therefore violated that section of FISA [Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act]," the ruling said.

The judges also wrote that "the government may have violated the Fourth Amendment when it collected the telephony metadata of millions of Americans, including at least one of the defendants." But the judges didn't make a ruling on the potential Fourth Amendment violation because it wasn't necessary to decide the case. While "the Fourth Amendment requires notice to a criminal defendant" when prosecutors want to use evidence from surveillance at trial, the judges "did not decide whether the government failed to prove any required notice in this case because the lack of such notice did not prejudice the defendants," the ruling said.


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  • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday September 04 2020, @03:13AM (1 child)

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday September 04 2020, @03:13AM (#1046183) Journal

    Economic penalty? You sound like some sort of marxist.

    I keep remembering those kings of the past (the ruling class) who lost their life because they overspent (on crusades, or armies or palaces).
    The modern ruling class can just print money.

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  • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 04 2020, @03:32PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 04 2020, @03:32PM (#1046347)

    Until someone is willing to 'call in' the debt from outside the system, there is no way for individuals inside the system to prove the coffers are dry. Thanks to all currency being replaced with not just fiat, but actually 'virtual' currency, it's easy to make up whatever numbers are needed, and thanks to the scale of it, there is no effective way for anyone other than another nation-state to prove they are out of money until the debt is called due, and resources to back that debt cannot be found, packaged and transferred.

    So short of a massive purchase of natural resources massive quantities of labor, or another physical product, there is no way to show that the economy has already tipped past the point of making good on its debts.