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posted by martyb on Saturday April 11 2015, @05:02PM   Printer-friendly
from the is-SoylentNews-ruining-your-marriage? dept.

Anthony D'Ambrosio writes at USA Today that marriage seems like a pretty simple concept — fall in love and share your life together. Our great-grandparents did it, our grandparents followed suit, and for many of us, our parents did it as well. So why is marriage so difficult for the millennial generation?

"You want to know why your grandmother and grandfather just celebrated their 60th wedding anniversary? Because they weren't scrolling through Instagram worrying about what John ate for dinner. They weren't on Facebook criticizing others. They weren't on vacation sending Snapchats to their friends." According to D'Ambrosio, we've developed relationships with things, not each other. "Ninety-five percent of the personal conversations you have on a daily basis occur through some type of technology. We've removed human emotion from our relationships, and we've replaced it colorful bubbles," writes D'Ambrosio. "We've forgotten how to communicate yet expect healthy marriages. How is it possible to grow and mature together if we barely speak?"

D'Ambrosio writes that another factor is that our desire for attention outweighs our desire to be loved and that social media has given everyone an opportunity to be famous. "Attention you couldn't dream of getting unless you were celebrity is now a selfie away. Post a picture, and thousands of strangers will like it. Wear less clothing, and guess what? More likes," writes D'Ambrosio.

"If you want to love someone, stop seeking attention from everyone because you'll never be satisfied with the attention from one person." Finally D'Ambrosio says the loss of privacy has contributed to the demise of marriage. "We've invited strangers into our homes and brought them on dates with us. We've shown them our wardrobe, drove with them in our cars, and we even showed them our bathing suits," writes D'Ambrosio. "The world we live in today has put roadblocks in the way of getting there and living a happy life with someone. Some things are in our control, and unfortunately, others are not."

 
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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by frojack on Saturday April 11 2015, @06:41PM

    by frojack (1554) on Saturday April 11 2015, @06:41PM (#169026) Journal

    nothing to do with 'social media', really.

    Really?

    You substitute your "guess" for a theory that has at least a correlation as a foundation? There has always been a flood of TV and movies, and gossip rags. The difference is people didn't obsess with posting every little detail of their life to 500 of their best "friends".

    This isn't the first time this theory has been raised, studied, and published. Each time it is quickly beaten to death. On social media, by social media addicts, quickly and decisively less anyone threaten the value of that upon which their entire life has come to depend.

    Nothing to do with social media, from the viewpoint of a social media addict, i'd wager.

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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 11 2015, @06:49PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 11 2015, @06:49PM (#169029)

    Social media is garbage, but so is pop psychology.

  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by JNCF on Saturday April 11 2015, @07:46PM

    by JNCF (4317) on Saturday April 11 2015, @07:46PM (#169053) Journal

    Did you check out TFA? It's title is "5 reasons we can't handle marriage anymore," and it's an opinion piece written by a relationship columnist. This isn't a social scientist showing a clear correlation between divorce rates and social media usage, this is just some hack spouting her opinions. She doesn't link to a single source, and she ends it with "People can agree or disagree. I'm perfectly fine with that." I don't think her opinions have any more weight than random folks posting comments here.

    I personally don't use any services that are commonly called social media (I could see making the argument that sites like SoylentNews fall under a broad definition of "social media," but this clearly isn't what we're talking about), and haven't for years. I'm thoroughly biased against it for a variety of reasons that aren't relevant here. I would be surprised if social media didn't have a negative impact on the length of monogamous relationships in our culture, but I'm extremely sceptical of claims that this is the main reason that monogamous relationships don't last as long as they used to.

    I think we're in the middle of a rapid paradigm shift that dates back to at least the 1960s (really the free love movement of the 19th century). We now have an educated populace with ready access to birth-control, which means that promiscuous sex is a relatively safe past-time. Even if a child does result from sex (and is for some unthinkable reason allowed to come to term), welfare and alimony laws provide a financial safety net that hasn't historically been available to single parents. This makes female jealousy mostly outdated. Paternity tests make male jealousy mostly outdated. The stage is set for an end to the nuclear family, and monogamy, as we know it. We're just not quite there yet. We've got culture and genetics that tell us to be jealous, but if we continue to exist as a species those patterns will almost certainly change to meet the new paradigm. Attributing the destruction of monogamy primarily to social media seems totally absurd to me.

    People can agree or disagree.
    I'm perfectly fine with that.

    • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 11 2015, @09:19PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 11 2015, @09:19PM (#169079)

      This is one area where African-American society is already decades ahead. The family structure, as understood in White, Hispanic and Asian America, hasn't existed within African-American culture for some time. In this culture, marriage is extremely rare. Single mothers are the norm. Not only are they single mothers, but they typically have children from at least 3 or 4 different men, and sometimes more. These men are typically referred to as "baby daddies", rather than "fathers", because their only involvement in the child's life is at the moment of insemination. Various levels of government then throw bundles and bundles of welfare money at these women, who often use this money to do everything (like buying expensive designer shoes and purses) except properly support their children. The culture you're talking about as if it were going to happen in the future is already here. It has been here for at least a couple of decades, if not longer. Maybe it isn't present within your particular homogenous, white suburb, but it's very real within the southern states of the United States, as well as in predominantly black areas of the nation's major cities.

      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 11 2015, @11:07PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 11 2015, @11:07PM (#169127)

        > but it's very real within the southern states of the United States, as well as in predominantly black areas of the nation's major cities.

        Basically anywhere the government has been stuffing black men into prison such that they can't fulfil the role of father and breadwinner, behind bars or afterwards because of their record. It is no coincidence the change you've described began when the war on drugs started.

        • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 11 2015, @11:22PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 11 2015, @11:22PM (#169134)

          These men don't just end up in jail spontaneously. They commit crimes, often very serious ones, and rightfully end up imprisoned for the criminal behavior they have engaged in.

          Why the hell would you even think that men who have never held a legitimate job, who have engaged in various types of crime time and time again, and who have impregnated eight or more different women would ever voluntarily "fulfil the role of father and breadwinner"?

          Enough with the obvious bullshit, please.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 12 2015, @12:20AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 12 2015, @12:20AM (#169159)

            Terrible crimes like putting certain substances into their own bodies. The horror!

            • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 12 2015, @01:47AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 12 2015, @01:47AM (#169192)

              When they're caught with drugs, it's usually a large amount. This is because these drugs are usually for resale, and not for their own personal use. In many cases they're selling these drugs to youth. That's a rather harmful thing to be doing, with an immense social cost.

              The proportion of convictions due to drug-related offenses is actually proportionally small compared to convictions for other, much more serious offenses. We're talking about offenses like assault, rape, murder, theft and burglary. Many incidents will include more than one of those crimes, often affecting multiple victims.

              You can't possibly pin this all on the government. It's not the government's fault that so many of these men repeatedly act so irresponsibly and so criminally.

              • (Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 12 2015, @03:15AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 12 2015, @03:15AM (#169216)

                When they're caught with drugs, it's usually a large amount. This is because these drugs are usually for resale, and not for their own personal use.

                Oh, no! Not selling drugs! We'd better involve government thugs!

                In many cases they're selling these drugs to youth.

                Please, no! Anything but the children!

                As soon as someone brings up "children" in a discussion about liberties, you know they're authoritarians with an agenda. The drug war is wrong, and I care about adults as much as I do children, so that sort of nonsense won't sway me. If they want to risk taking drugs, then let them; it's a voluntary transaction, especially at first.

                Many incidents will include more than one of those crimes, often affecting multiple victims.

                And there are also many cases where they will, at first, be arrested for drugs, and then they'll become hardened criminals in jail/prison. Nice going.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 12 2015, @03:32AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 12 2015, @03:32AM (#169223)

                  My, my, my. You are living in denial, and you pretend to be a Libertarian. My, my, my.

                  • (Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 12 2015, @04:02AM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 12 2015, @04:02AM (#169234)

                    Pretend? It's neither denial nor a game of pretend. I just don't see why authoritarians want to screw up relatively okay countries like the US and turn them into police states when places like North Korea already exist. Why not just move there?

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by EQ on Saturday April 11 2015, @10:25PM

      by EQ (1716) on Saturday April 11 2015, @10:25PM (#169114)

      "and is for some unthinkable reason allowed to come to term" ... unthinkable? Really? What about the basic value of a human life - is that unthinkable? A lot of couples decide to keep their "accidents". I'm glad my folks did. And I kept my unplanned son too. Its not nearly as casual and cavalier a decision once you face it personally -- it can be agonizing. Choice? Yes, that's the law. But morally, there's far more to it than you seem to think, much too important to use such flippant language. Plus about half of the US population would disagree with you there (Pro Choice vs Pro Life split pretty evenly [gallup.com]). Pretty poor and overly broad assumption, and not even needed for you to make your point. Might want to check your biases.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 12 2015, @12:12AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 12 2015, @12:12AM (#169157)

        More like freedom vs anti-freedom. I don't like it, so I want government thugs to interfere with other people's personal matters to prevent *them* from doing it too!

        • (Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 12 2015, @06:42AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 12 2015, @06:42AM (#169263)
          Damn straight! It horrendous how I can't shoot that guy over there. It's a personal matter between the two of us, not an invitation for government thugs to put themselves into my private business! After all, who could possibly have a problem with interrupting a sequence of chemical reactions taking place in a cluster of cells? That some fascist asshole doesn't like it doesn't mean that I shouldn't be allowed to do it. It's just an unwanted, naturally-produced cluster of cells, and nothing beyond that.
          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 12 2015, @01:43PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 12 2015, @01:43PM (#169318)

            Damn straight! It horrendous how I can't shoot that guy over there.

            You must be in a pretty strange situation if some guy "over there" is actually inside your body. Or maybe he's not, making your example inappropriate and irrelevant to the subject of being able to control your own body.

            Though, I did expect someone to reply with such authoritarian garbage, so thanks for being predictable.

      • (Score: 2) by JNCF on Monday April 13 2015, @04:25PM

        by JNCF (4317) on Monday April 13 2015, @04:25PM (#169803) Journal

        I was being a bit flippant for the sake of humor, and I am aware that my biases differ from the general population; I'd be embarrassed if they didn't.

        Maybe we have radically different world views that lead us to different valuations of human life. I believe that humans are not fundamentally different than other animals. I understand that a fully functioning, developed human brain is better at some tasks than any other processor we have yet found or made. I also understand that a human embryo is less intelligent and aware than a fully developed pig by any reasonable measures. Since I don't attribute any metaphysical qualities to either animal, from my perspective factory farms seem way more grotesque than abortion clinics.

        Most Americans eat pigs that have been kept in conditions we would all call "torture" if humans were being subjected to it. Do you eat pigs that have been tortured to death in factory farms? I won't get offended if you say yes. I won't even get offended if you flippantly joke about it. I understand that you probably have a totally different conception of pigs than I do, and I'm okay with that. I'm not trying to make you feel guilty about supporting the torture-market at all, I'm just using it as an example of something that you might casually brush off as unimportant while other parts of the population see it as a horrible tragedy. That's okay :)

        I hope you have a wonderful day, and If you do eat pigs that have been tortured to death I hope they are delicious.