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The Strained Relationship Between Systemd and Syslog

posted by martyb on Sunday April 19 2015, @06:02PM   Printer-friendly
from the with-all-this-logging-we-need-a-lumberjack dept.

An Anonymous Coward writes:

World-renowned Unix master Chris Siebenmann has written an article entitled 'I wish systemd would get over its thing about syslog'. It addresses the strained relationship between the systemd init system and the traditional syslog approach to logging used on many Linux systems.

Chris writes:

Anyone who works with systemd soon comes to realize that systemd just doesn't like syslog very much. In fact systemd is so unhappy with syslog that it invented its own logging mechanism (in the form of journald). This is not news. What people who don't have to look deeply into the situation often don't realize is that systemd's dislike is sufficiently deep that systemd just doesn't interact very well with syslog.

This is a must-read article for anyone who needs to use systemd and syslog together.

 
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  • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 20 2015, @07:55PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 20 2015, @07:55PM (#173255)

    Get the bit in Lennarts comment he rules that:

    1) syslog/udp didn't age well (What the fuck does that even mean in this context?)
    2) reccomends http/json (YES, you cannot make this stuff up)

    It's clear Lennart is as complete and utter fucking cunt who has no fucking idea about unix or linux in general.

    Suggesting syslog/udp is dead and should be replaced with json and http?

    The fuck?

    You fuckwit distro maintainers need to get his systemd out of your OSes NOW!

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 20 2015, @11:42PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 20 2015, @11:42PM (#173327)

    In essence Poettering is a developer for devops by devops.

    One may wonder if Apple didn't want to hire him so instead he set his sights on remaking Linux into OSX.

    Sadly he seems to have found allies in the Gnome/Fedora camp, and backing by Red Hat. Likely because of IaaS or some other "cloud" marketing spiel.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 22 2015, @08:42PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 22 2015, @08:42PM (#174103)

      They can take systemd and shove it up their cloud, but that shouldn't mean everyone has to shove it up their respective clouds too!

      I want choice in what I shove up my cloud!

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 23 2015, @12:08AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 23 2015, @12:08AM (#174167)

        When money talk, principles walk...

        Containers and "web apps" are the hip new thing in the cloud, and so everyone is gunning for it.

        It seems Canonical had some kind of grasp on it, but now RH is grabbing it by slipping systemd in below everything Canoncial has to offer.

        And so Canonical is adopting systemd because they do not have the developer resources to maintain a parallel "stack" to systemd.