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posted by CoolHand on Thursday April 23 2015, @05:41AM   Printer-friendly
from the ultimate-biometrics-for-us dept.

Amir Mizroch reports at the WSJ that a PayPal executive who works with engineers and developers to find and test new technologies, says that embeddable, injectable, and ingestible devices are the next wave in identification for mobile payments and other sensitive online interactions. Jonathon Leblanc says that identification of people will shift from “antiquated” external body methods like fingerprints, toward internal body functions like heartbeat and vein recognition, where embedded and ingestible devices will allow “natural body identification.” Ingestible devices could be powered by stomach acid, which will run their batteries and could detect glucose levels and other unique internal features can use a person’s body as a way to identify them and beam that data out. Leblanc made his remarks during a presentation called Kill all Passwords that he’s recently started giving at various tech conferences in the U.S. and Europe, arguing that technology has taken a huge leap forward to “true integration with the human body.” But the idea has its skeptics. What could possibly go wrong with a little implanted device that reads your vein patterns or your heart's unique activity or blood glucose levels writes AJ Vicens? "Wouldn't an insurance company love to use that information to decide that you had one too many donuts—so it won't be covering that bypass surgery after all?"

 
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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by c0lo on Thursday April 23 2015, @06:49AM

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday April 23 2015, @06:49AM (#174206) Journal

    If the stakes are high enough for the robber, instead of having your fingers chopped [news24.com]**, you may finish with:
    * having your eyes gouged out (retinal scan)
    * having your stomach ripper open (for an ingestible device)
    * having your skin cut in multiple places in a frantic search for an implanted sliver of silicon
    * having denied you access in case of a cold (voice recognition); cardiac arrhythmia - or just after jogging (hearth beat); copious lunch raising insulin level
    * where exactly are those veins which's pattern need to be recognized? Some place which can be affected by a bruise? In my retina?

    What the hell is wrong with a passphrase?

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    **the linked article says:

    But the developer of the technology says that such fears are unfounded because the technology can check to see whether a finger is "alive".

    To which I immediately replied in my mind: "Hell yeah! Does the robber knows it before chopping all my fingers of one by one? No thanks, you won't catch me among early adopters.".

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 23 2015, @08:03AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 23 2015, @08:03AM (#174219)

    What the hell is wrong with a passphrase?

    You cannot make money from them. Well, not legally at least.

  • (Score: 1) by anubi on Thursday April 23 2015, @08:07AM

    by anubi (2828) on Thursday April 23 2015, @08:07AM (#174220) Journal

    Voice-prints? We each have a rather unique vocal tract, which shows up in spectrum analyses. Having us "read" a "captcha" would probably do the trick. You might even say things a special way if you wanted a way to tell the machine you were under duress.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 23 2015, @08:39AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 23 2015, @08:39AM (#174227)

      That would work if the captcha is entirely known to the system and it would need full knowledge of the captcha for it to recognize your duress.
      These days, this does not necessarily hold true. Haven't you noticed that website shows captchas that exist of 2 pieces: one which is known and another which isn't known yet and is a picture of someone's house number.

      Us bioforms have been co-opted by the website to do its work for them. For free... Now go back and generate ad revenue for us, humanoid!

    • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday April 23 2015, @01:18PM

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday April 23 2015, @01:18PM (#174279) Journal

      Voice-prints?

      Hoarse/croacky voice (aka laryngitis [wikipedia.org] - can lead to temporary voice lost)?
      ATM refusing to get you money when you need them the most to buy medicines?

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      • (Score: 1) by anubi on Friday April 24 2015, @01:29AM

        by anubi (2828) on Friday April 24 2015, @01:29AM (#174502) Journal

        Good point.

        I was thinking of how much we recognize voices, and how I have a voice recognition module that is very speaker-specific.

        Trying to find unfakeable biometric identifiers is a pretty tall order. Even DNA, as someone intent on impersonating you can offer a sample of your DNA that you unwittingly let get away from you, like hair roots left in a brush or the like. Eyes and fingerprints can be photographed and replicas capable of fooling the reader fabricated. Voices can be overheard, recorded, and played back. Its hard to fool the human security guard who knows you, but even that can be tricked or bribed.

        I do not think the "chip implanted in the right hand or forehead" is the answer either. There will always be programmable chips out there which will respond as programmed.

        Something one knows seems to be the strongest unique identifier available. As long as that something can be kept private.

        This issue is like catching a tiger by the tail.

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        "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]