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on Saturday April 25 2015, @04:25AM
from the no-idea-what-a-vervet-is-and-ruh-roh-systemd dept.
from the no-idea-what-a-vervet-is-and-ruh-roh-systemd dept.
Ubuntu 15.04 has now been released; full details are at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VividVervet/ReleaseNotes
Notable new features:
- Unity 7.3
- LibreOffice 4.4
- Firefox 37
- Chromium 41
Low-level and server changes include:
- Linux kernel 3.19
- The move from upstart to systemd
- A new version of OpenStack
- Ubuntu Core (Snappy) - a variant to be used as a core OS for other software projects
OMGubuntu coverage is here: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/ubuntu-15-04-download-new-features
Slashdot commentary/griping at: http://news.slashdot.org/story/15/04/24/1245209/ubuntu-1504-released-first-version-to-feature-systemd
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(Score: 3, Interesting) by mmcmonster on Saturday April 25 2015, @10:07AM
Ubuntu is a desktop OS. SystemD is tuned well for desktop OSs. So Why shouldn't Ubuntu use it?
There are wrinkles (error logging seems to be one of them?), but every big project has them, and they have to get into production systems to iron them out. Like PulseAudio before it. It was a mess when it was introduced, but things just work now.
We'll have to learn a few new commands to start and stop services and search the logs, but that's part of using any new OS.
Count me as someone who doesn't care too much whether SystemD becomes part of the core packages of desktop Linux.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 25 2015, @01:01PM
Based on my experience with it, systemd has been expertly tuned to prevent systems from booting properly. In all of my decades of using Linux, I've never had systems rendered un-bootable as many times as I've had happen when using systemd. It's not an init system. It's an init-prevention system.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 25 2015, @04:21PM
Systemd seems to have been developed like Apple developed harder under Jobs. It is tuned for the use of one person, in the Systemd case its Poettering.
(Score: 2) by digitalaudiorock on Saturday April 25 2015, @01:25PM
That's all well and good but frankly you might as well be running Windows at that point. Those of us who've been using Linux for a long time for the things that made it great, and to avoid monolithic bloated black box operating systems very much do care. I've been a Gentoo user for 11 years so at least I can still avoid it as long as I avoid software that's been polluted by it...and my desktop is "tuned" just fine thank you.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 25 2015, @01:41PM
As a long time Linux sysadmin and user, I never thought I'd say this, but Windows is getting much better than Linux. Even with their shitty tablet UIs, Windows 8 and Windows Server 2012 have been more reliable and usable, in my experience, than recent Linux distros.
(Score: 3, Touché) by tibman on Saturday April 25 2015, @06:33PM
Windows still can't delete a file if someone has it open somewhere. I prefer my admin powers to actually be worth something : )
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 26 2015, @02:16AM
Windows does the right thing. Files shouldn't be pulled out from under running applications without warning.
(Score: 3, Informative) by tibman on Sunday April 26 2015, @07:11AM
A less privileged executable has no say on what i do to its files (or itself). One time, while ssh'd into a box, i created a directory with some basic stuff and chroot'd into it and then deleted the entire host OS (redhat). Ssh continued to function and kept my connection alive even though its own executable didn't exist anymore. From my small chroot environment i installed a completely different distro (Gentoo) where the old root was. Built and installed a new kernel. Crossed fingers and rebooted the machine (it worked!). That's the kind of admin powers you get with a real OS. Your reasoning is exactly why you cannot delete windows malware without restarting into safe mode.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 26 2015, @05:34PM
And they are not.
What happens is that their entry in the FS is removed, but as long as the program keeps the file open they have a entry to it.
Flash tries to use this to hide their streaming caches on Linux.
Fire up any video steam, then head for /proc/"flash pid"/fd, if you do a ls -l you will see symlink that points to a file in /tmp that has already been deleted. But as the flash process still has it as open, it can still read and write to it all it wants. but once it lets go, it is gone, unless you go at the FS with a recovery utility.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 25 2015, @07:11PM
Come back and say that AFTER Redmond has a permissions meme that isn't a complete joke.
...and after you don't have to reboot a box running their OS after making minor tweaks.
...and after you don't need layers and layers of band-aids pasted all over their OS.
I have another comment up the thread that mentions several things Redmond does in Ring 0 that are just moronic.
A company run by lawyers and salesmen is NOT the supplier of tech that I want, thank you very much.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 26 2015, @02:19AM
What the fuck are you talking about?