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posted by martyb on Sunday April 26 2015, @06:48PM   Printer-friendly
from the unbridled-enthusiasm dept.

Debian 8 "Jessie" was released on 25 Apr. A link to the Debian release page shows the changes and you can follow the release in 'real-time' should you desire to do so.

This release will be supported for 5 years and includes "improvements" to the UEFI software (both 32- and 64-bit) introduced in the previous version, "Wheezy". It also is the first release to use systemd as default init system replacing the earlier sysvinit, which is still available in the repos should you wish to revert the change. What effects such a change might have on the remainder of the system is not clear. Improvements to the support of Debian software include the ability to browse and search all source code distributed in the latest release.

 
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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 26 2015, @07:23PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 26 2015, @07:23PM (#175423)

    As a Linux noob, what's wrong with forking Debian or using other (non-systemd) distros?

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 26 2015, @07:34PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 26 2015, @07:34PM (#175427)

    What's wrong with writing your own kernel from scratch?

    I've forked various projects.
    Xonotic and before then Crossfire RPG.

    It isn't impossible, and when it's a game it's alot of fun.

    What I don't do is allow people to destroy the building I'm existing in and then not complain when I am forced to rebuild it again and again and again and again.
    What one relys on shouldn't be stolen from him.

    • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Sunday April 26 2015, @07:47PM

      by kaszz (4211) on Sunday April 26 2015, @07:47PM (#175431) Journal

      The difference is that you can keep the original building provided you put it in a new location. And all builders can be poached to develop at your new location. Seems only inertia and emotional attachment keeps people at the original site.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 26 2015, @07:49PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 26 2015, @07:49PM (#175433)

        The original site has a sound foundation.

        A mob comes and blows it up.
        Then has those who resided in the building banned from the town.

        The building residents should kill the mob, but they don't or cant.
        They lost what they had.
        The mob won.

        • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Sunday April 26 2015, @08:09PM

          by kaszz (4211) on Sunday April 26 2015, @08:09PM (#175439) Journal

          So drop the rule book and exterminate the mob rough style?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 26 2015, @08:56PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 26 2015, @08:56PM (#175459)

            That would be the only option other than defeat.

  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 26 2015, @08:21PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 26 2015, @08:21PM (#175445)

    Of course Debian should have been forked. In this fork they could have gone with systemd. Then they would have gotten the Debian-based, systemd-using distro they want, while everybody else who has been using Debian for the past two decades wouldn't have had our systems trashed by systemd.

    • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Sunday April 26 2015, @08:33PM

      by kaszz (4211) on Sunday April 26 2015, @08:33PM (#175449) Journal

      So the systemd network has coup d'étated the board of the original distribution. The question to ask is, how did they accomplish this under the radar?

      • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 26 2015, @08:42PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 26 2015, @08:42PM (#175453)

        They didn't do anything "under the radar". The political shenanigans were out in the public's view.

        The intelligent members of the Debian community saw the problems with systemd, they saw the problems with how it was being adopted for political rather than technological reasons, and they objected to all of this.

        The problem that they ran into is that they're busy using Debian. They're sysadmins managing tens of thousands of Debian servers. They're developers working to satisfy clients. Unlike the systemd'ers, they don't have time to waste with petty political fights.

        So they lost. Realizing this, the smart ones moved to FreeBSD. They've moved, or have started to move, their Debian systems to FreeBSD. They're done with Debian. Debian has lost the best members of its community. Obviously, this loss of the project's best talent will doom the project to failure in the long run.

        • (Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 26 2015, @09:29PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 26 2015, @09:29PM (#175475)

          Anyone opposed to systemd on the debian mailing list had their mails silently dropped, or were banned outright.
          They were derided as trolls and mysoginists. Debian devs who opposed systemd were informed by Don Armstrong
          that they would be banned from the list for trolling and creating a hostile environment.

          The list master added a filter for a time that deleted any mail that had the string "systemd" in it.
          Then the list users still present started calling systemd by another name (shittyowl or something like that),
          that string was then added to that filter for a time

          Don Armstrong was the list master.

          • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Sunday April 26 2015, @10:33PM

            by kaszz (4211) on Sunday April 26 2015, @10:33PM (#175506) Journal

            How did this Don Armstrong get appointed?

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 27 2015, @12:38AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 27 2015, @12:38AM (#175538)

              I guess he was magnanimous enough to take on the responsibility.

              Don't forget his name. He's a main player in the quashing of dissent against systemd.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 02 2015, @05:43PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 02 2015, @05:43PM (#177906)

                It is starting to look like Linux project management is like political positions. If someone volunteers to take it question their motives vigorously.

                Kay Sievers may well be considered Poettering's right hand man, and he volunteered to take over maintenance of udev (now systemd-udev). Similarly Poettering took over maintenance of Consolekit, only to scuttle it and replace it with systemd-logind.

                One may really worry about the future of the kernel once Torvalds retires (or his bus factor goes critical).

          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 27 2015, @05:40AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 27 2015, @05:40AM (#175595)

            Citation needed.

            • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 27 2015, @07:39PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 27 2015, @07:39PM (#175830)

              Citation is the debian-user and debian-dev mailing lists you SJW faggot shill.
              Go read them.

              I'm not going to dig through them to help you, because I hate you and am very happy when one of you is murdered.
              Like the woman in pakistan yesterday.

              Fuck You.

              • (Score: 1, Troll) by DeathMonkey on Monday April 27 2015, @08:43PM

                by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday April 27 2015, @08:43PM (#175857) Journal

                Citation is the debian-user and debian-dev mailing lists you SJW faggot shill.
                 
                Just in case anyone hasn't figured out that the term SJW is completely meaningless I point you to the above.
                 
                Apparently being anything less than foaming-at-the-mouth anti-systemd puts you into the "Social Justice" crowd, somehow.

        • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 26 2015, @09:29PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 26 2015, @09:29PM (#175476)

          The people responsible should be killed.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 26 2015, @09:36PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 26 2015, @09:36PM (#175485)

            I'm sure they're already dead inside. No further action need be taken.

        • (Score: 2) by Magic Oddball on Monday April 27 2015, @01:54PM

          by Magic Oddball (3847) on Monday April 27 2015, @01:54PM (#175701) Journal

          So they lost. Realizing this, the smart ones moved to FreeBSD.

          Not just FreeBSD — some relocated to the few other strong distros left standing: Slackware, Gentoo (which IIRC has systemd as an "option"), PCLinuxOS...

          Debian has lost the best members of its community.

          I'd agree, but I wouldn't characterize that as being limited to people that happen to also program Linux software in the 'right' language and/or run Debian on servers. A wide variety of talents work on the most successful distros (that is, the ones with the largest, most enduring userbases, including devs/admins), as they're needed for all of the non-programming aspects that attract new users: writing basic documentation, answering questions & troubleshooting via public posts, creating graphics (icons, theme elements, etc.), knowing where the best exact location for everything in a window is, bug-testing...all of the stuff that makes a distro or OS stand out as awesome.

          So, I agree: Debian lost many of its most vital supporters. They just happen to be highly intelligent people of all stripes, including programmers, network admins, graphic artists, technical writers, natural teachers, and so forth. :-)