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posted by CoolHand on Monday April 27 2015, @05:32PM   Printer-friendly
from the show-me-the-money dept.

How does your salary compare with this survey ?

http://www.computerworld.com/category/salarysurvey2015

Also, here is a Dice 2015 salary survey also showing nice upward trends for the tech field.

 
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  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 27 2015, @05:54PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 27 2015, @05:54PM (#175784)

    I was about to say the same. I also find I'm losing interest in this site. Lots of the stories are the same as /.'s, sometimes word for word, but they're usually here later than they are there. The moderation here isn't very good so I always browse at -1 so I don't miss good comments that were downvoted. There are usually more comments at /., too. Now that the /. beta is officially gone, I'm getting fewer benefits from this site. I may just go back to visiting only /., especially if the stories and moderation here aren't any better than at /.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 27 2015, @05:58PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 27 2015, @05:58PM (#175786)

    Not to mention the culture of antagonism that has developed here. I'm considering switching back too.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by snick on Monday April 27 2015, @06:09PM

      by snick (1408) on Monday April 27 2015, @06:09PM (#175792)

      Not to mention the culture of antagonism that has developed here.

      Has developed? Has developed???!!!???

      This is a site born out of a bunch of people rage-quitting ./. One of the first things we did was to have a messy food fight over ownership.

      This site was created by antagonism.

      • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Tork on Monday April 27 2015, @06:35PM

        by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 27 2015, @06:35PM (#175809)

        This site was created by antagonism.

        Considering how much more cool and level headed the commenters on this site are compared to Slashdot I do take issue with that particular characterization. After frequenting this site for a year I feel like Slashdot's comment section is more like Youtube's. Slashdotters consider contrarianism to be 'cool', hence virtually every interaction is a form of sparring. It has only gotten worse in the last year. This site? Not so much, it's been great!

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        • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 27 2015, @06:48PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 27 2015, @06:48PM (#175813)

          > This site was created by antagonism.
          >> No it wasn't
          >>> Yes it was.
          >>>> This isn't an argument!
          >>>>> Yes, it is.
          >>>>>> No, it isn't. It's just contradiction.
          >>>>>>> No, it isn't.

          • (Score: 4, Funny) by Tork on Monday April 27 2015, @07:00PM

            by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 27 2015, @07:00PM (#175816)
            And if this were on Slashdot:

            > This site was created by antagonism.
            >> No it wasn't
            >>> Yes it was.
            >>>> This isn't an argument!
            >>>>> Yes, it is.
            >>>>>> No, it isn't. It's just contradiction.
            >>>>>>> No, it isn't.
            >>>>>>>> You misspelled something earlier, that means you're wrong!
            >>>>>>>>> Actually it was spelled correctly.
            >>>>>>>>>> Not in the country I'm from, so you're wrong.
            >>>>>>>>>>> Here'a link showing I spelled it correctly.
            >>>>>>>>>>>> You're a shill. I declare victory.
            >>>>>>>>>>>>> What were we talking about?
            >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm posting anonymously to make it look like more than one person thinks you're wrong!
            >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm laughing at you.
            >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nuh uh, I'm laughing at you. Oh I'm claiming to not be the same AC this time.
            >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, that still wasn't antagonism.
            >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If it weren't antagonism you wouldn't have a thousand people here telling you anonymously that you're wrong!
            >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Two week limit has been reached.

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            • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 27 2015, @07:08PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 27 2015, @07:08PM (#175821)
              • (Score: 2) by VLM on Monday April 27 2015, @09:20PM

                by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 27 2015, @09:20PM (#175870)

                Surprisingly AC's YT link isn't a rickroll. I would have laughed.

                The proposed example is missing the comedy, occasionally the dark comedy. One of the funniest things on 4chan is watching the normals visit and get all confused and unable to understand the difference between comedy, dark comedy, and actual insanity/criminality. Reddit humor tends to be more mass market and lame, "dad jokes", and I don't like it much. SN humor observationally tends toward a happy (humorous?) medium.

                If you (speaking generally) can't be interesting, at least be funny.

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by ikanreed on Monday April 27 2015, @07:07PM

          by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 27 2015, @07:07PM (#175820) Journal

          I will personally admit to being antagonistic on multiple occasions.

          I believed it was necessary as a response particularly facile comments, but I need to tone it back, and I'm going to try to do so.

          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Tork on Monday April 27 2015, @07:23PM

            by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 27 2015, @07:23PM (#175824)
            I'll admit to being a full-on asshole at times. (I've also made an ass of myself quite a few times in the process, I'm developing a taste for humble pie.) Some of that comes from years of Slashdot lurking. This site's much more calm, I'm slowly learning to be a nicer guy. I don't express my appreciation to the people here for that enough.
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            • (Score: 2) by rts008 on Monday April 27 2015, @07:41PM

              by rts008 (3001) on Monday April 27 2015, @07:41PM (#175832)

              Very well stated good sir/madam. All I can say in reply is you must be a mind reader! :-)

              I decided when I came here and stopped going to /., that I was going to try and mature a little.

              But not too much... ;-)

          • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Monday April 27 2015, @07:43PM

            by Phoenix666 (552) on Monday April 27 2015, @07:43PM (#175835) Journal

            I too confess I have been caustic when people excuse the behavior of the NSA, CIA, Wall Street, and such criminals. Freedom and justice are bedrock values for me (as I would hope they would be for everyone). I have never had the opportunity to defend those values with strength of arms, but I can at least speak as loudly and clearly as I can. Others here hold equally passionate views on systemd and other issues. Those are the breaks, and what it means to be part of a diverse community.

            Sure, we should try to maintain comity, but on occasion idiocy and obstinacy compel fierce reply.

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            • (Score: 2) by ikanreed on Monday April 27 2015, @07:47PM

              by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 27 2015, @07:47PM (#175837) Journal

              Oh but my anger triggers are conspiracy theories and genetic-determinism pseudoscience.

              Which means I'm likely to dump on you when your NSA concerns tread too far. Welp.

              • (Score: 2) by TK on Monday April 27 2015, @07:57PM

                by TK (2760) on Monday April 27 2015, @07:57PM (#175841)

                Don't you mean "whelp".

                C'mon, let's see some more antagonizing!

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              • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday April 28 2015, @11:00AM

                by Phoenix666 (552) on Tuesday April 28 2015, @11:00AM (#176009) Journal

                If you still dismiss news about the NSA as "conspiracy theories," then you haven't been paying attention to the Snowden documents.

                In fact, given the facts that have come to light about what the CIA has done, what Wall Street banks have done, and what many other agencies of the government have done (DEA sex parties, anyone?), we must really all now switch our defaults from "conspiracy theory" to "full investigation and prosecution required, justice to be rendered."

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                • (Score: 2) by ikanreed on Tuesday April 28 2015, @01:09PM

                  by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday April 28 2015, @01:09PM (#176044) Journal

                  Not news, but a lot of people think the NSA extends into some broader corporate control network.

                  It's an overextention of "foreign spying" in a manner that heavily and unreasonably affects domestic privacy. That's not a conspiracy theory. Saying "They're planning on converting that to military dictatorship by means of universal surveillance" reflects a poor understanding of what, for example, Snowden documented.

                  • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday April 28 2015, @05:36PM

                    by Phoenix666 (552) on Tuesday April 28 2015, @05:36PM (#176171) Journal

                    So...the part where the NSA and GCHQ run teams to subvert consensus formation in social media was what exactly? How about the part where NSA employees were spying on intimate conversations deployed soldiers were having with their spouses in the US? Or that the NSA was spying on trade talks for the advantage of US corporations? Thanks to Snowden we know those to be facts, which, BTW, were previously dismissed as "conspiracy theories" by people in the Whitehouse and Congress. Eric Clapper even lied about it to Congress and was not thrown in jail, as others have been for doing likewise; in fact, they did nothing to him. If the NSA's confirmed spying for corporate advantage is not the corporations calling the shots, then what is?

                    No adult can be so dewy-eyed as to excuse or pooh-pooh or gloss over the "trillions" of crimes the NSA has committed (those are William Binney's words), and continues to commit. Americans have fought wars hot and cold to prevent that very sort of tyranny. We watched it for decades in the form of the Gestapo, Stasi, KGB, and others. How can we fail to see it for what it is here, now?

                    It is especially inexcusable because we have simultaneous revelations about the DEA subverting the Constitution with "parallel construction," local police departments violating our rights with stingray devices, the CIA torturing people to death (that one is against American law and international law that we have executed other nations' citizens for committing), the Whitehouse ordering crimes against humanity with no repercussions, entire swaths of Missouri running courthouses and police departments as institutional extortion schemes, and on and on.

                    You cannot gloss all that over with, "It's an overextention of "foreign spying" in a manner that heavily and unreasonably affects domestic privacy." None of it was accidental. All of it was intended, designed, planned, funded, and executed as a matter of policy. To minimize that defies credulity.

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                    • (Score: 2) by ikanreed on Tuesday April 28 2015, @06:32PM

                      by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday April 28 2015, @06:32PM (#176192) Journal

                      Yes, what you just did here.

                      That's classic conspiratorial delusion. You mix random facts that you imagine support a larger umbrella of ambiguous nefarious intent into a horrifying near-future conclusion then declare it to be undeniable logic.

                      You should know full well that if you examine the actual deductions you're making they range from tenuous to absurd.

                      • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday April 29 2015, @04:58AM

                        by Phoenix666 (552) on Wednesday April 29 2015, @04:58AM (#176476) Journal

                        No, you're the one knitting them together into a Dr. Evil scheme. That is your strawman argument. That's a correct usage of the term, "strawman argument," BTW, which you have not yet effected. You have been putting words in my mouth, I have not done likewise.

                        What I have done is cite empirical evidence gained through observation, and formed conclusions based on that; that's logically sound. I said, for example, that there is evidence that the government has come to do the bidding of corporations. Snowden's documents have revealed the NSA spied on European Commission officials [propublica.org] who were taking actions against American companies. That's reported by the NY Times, BTW. Former SEC regulator Carmen Segarra [propublica.org] released audio tapes she made while at the NY Fed proving that Wall Street banks have achieved "regulatory capture," meaning they control the regulators meant to regulate them.

                        Those are facts, programs and policies and actions that have been very deliberately imagined, designed, funded, and implemented. Do you mean to say I have invented all these things? You do know they've been reported on by the most reputable publications, and occasionally by the government itself, right? Are they making it up? Do you mean to deny that the DEA has used parallel construction, or that the CIA tortured people to death, or that the Vice President of the United States admitted he ordered the CIA to torture people, or that the NSA has violated our Constitution, and on and on...? Each of these displays a deep institutional contempt for our laws. Each of them proves we are quite beyond the Rule of Law in America anymore, because there are none in the Executive or Legislative branches who have prosecuted anyone in any of those crimes. (For example, none of the executives at HSBC who laundered billions for the Mexican drug cartels [forbes.com] went to jail or were even charged.)

                        Watergate was a watershed moment for the Baby Boomers and that was merely one scandal. Each one of the crimes I have ticked off here is more shatteringly vast than that was. And, what's more, nearly all of those have come to light in the last *four* years. So, one Watergate-size event in 30 years, versus, what, 12+ in less than 4 years? If you can look at all those and maintain, with a straight face, that they don't indicate something is seriously broken in the United States, then it begs the question, why is that? Do you mean to say that it is no big deal that the Vice President of the United States admitted on national television that he ordered war crimes? Do you mean to say that it's not an even bigger deal that that guy is not sitting in a prison cell awaiting trial in the Hague? Do you mean to say it's not a big deal that across swathes of Missouri that courts and police departments were running institutionalized extortion schemes (that's per the US DOJ report on the subject)? Do you mean to say it's not an even bigger deal that the Feds haven't descended on those places to arrest the conspirators and charge them under RICO?

                        Against all that, it doesn't matter how rapidly you wave your hand or how many times you incorrectly employ common rhetorical put-downs against me or others like me who point out these matters and won't content themselves to, "focus on the future, not dwell on the past"; they still won't go away and they won't come to have anything less than an existential impact on freedom and democracy in the United States and perhaps the world. It's a pity you don't seem to be as concerned as we are, but I'm sure you have your reasons. Pray tell.

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      • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Phoenix666 on Monday April 27 2015, @07:34PM

        by Phoenix666 (552) on Monday April 27 2015, @07:34PM (#175826) Journal

        I for one didn't quit out of rage, but out of exasperation. Dice-owned Slashdot seemed determined to destroy that community. The slashvertisements, the "Slashdot for Business" hokum, chasing CmdrTaco out, etc. Beta was the last straw. It was clear that MBAs had taken over, and were utterless clueless about what the community's actual value proposition was, which was, in fact, the community, not the site.

        I also wouldn't characterize this nascent community as antagonistic. It is informed and reasoned. There are differences of opinion. There are many I disagree with on certain issues, but they nearly universally know tons more about other topics than I do so when they speak I shut up, listen, and learn. When and where I differ, I try to offer measured counterpoint. I think that's pretty widely the case with everyone here. Of course, there are a couple characters. There always are. And there are times and issues when we all post in high spirits. We are humans, not Vulcans.

        But antagonistic? No, that characterization doesn't fit.

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    • (Score: 5, Touché) by Tork on Monday April 27 2015, @06:11PM

      by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 27 2015, @06:11PM (#175793)

      Not to mention the culture of antagonism that has developed here. I'm considering switching back too.

      You're looking to avoid a culture of antagonism by going back to Slashdot...? Hookay.

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      • (Score: 2) by bradley13 on Tuesday April 28 2015, @05:47AM

        by bradley13 (3053) on Tuesday April 28 2015, @05:47AM (#175970) Homepage Journal

        I think the community here is more pleasant than /. However, that's a natural function of it being a smaller community. On /. there's a certain anonymity even when not posting AC. And we all know what happens with anonymity [knowyourmeme.com].

        What drove me away from /. was the increasing commercialism, which is just inevitable since it is being run for a profit. I have ads disabled, but they periodically get re-enabled. I have no interest in their video section, but the reminder keeps resetting itself and popping up again. They want to sell me stuff, even if only indirectly. Really, no surprise, because it does belong to a company that wants to make $$ for their quarterly report.

        Soylent is more pleasant, both for the smaller community, and for the lack of commercialism. I worry a bit that they can't even cover their running costs, but I also haven't subscribed yet. I just need to find that darned round tuit...

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        • (Score: 2) by vux984 on Wednesday April 29 2015, @09:39AM

          by vux984 (5045) on Wednesday April 29 2015, @09:39AM (#176522)

          I agree.

          I'm currently checking both sites. /. is more active. But I ~like~ pretty much everything else about this one more.

  • (Score: 3, Troll) by tibman on Monday April 27 2015, @06:03PM

    by tibman (134) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 27 2015, @06:03PM (#175790)

    It looks like SN has better trolls though.

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  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 27 2015, @07:58PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 27 2015, @07:58PM (#175842)

    I like it here more. The readership is more technical in nature than at slashdot. There seems to be too many marketers, angry old guys, and people outside of the technology field bickering.

    As a result I get to have decent discussions here. ACs are more respected too. I looked at slashdot since about a year after its inception. For a long time it was considered wise amongst technologists to be anonymous as much as possible. I don't know when or how that changed, but now it is a badge of dishonor over there.

    • (Score: 2) by VLM on Monday April 27 2015, @09:30PM

      by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 27 2015, @09:30PM (#175874)

      I don't know when or how that changed, but now it is a badge of dishonor over there.

      Could it be the quality level of the resident trolls?

      Our trolls are mostly not anon and are creative and funny. The worst we have is the obamacare-tank-dude (come on obamacare-tank-dude, reply to this with your ascii art tank for old times sake)

      Back on /. its a little worse, years to decades of GNAA level of troll. Boring.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 28 2015, @05:17AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 28 2015, @05:17AM (#175967)

        And later, MyCleanPC, Gamemaker, and curse stories involving butts.

    • (Score: 2) by boristhespider on Monday April 27 2015, @09:45PM

      by boristhespider (4048) on Monday April 27 2015, @09:45PM (#175875)

      It's also ridiculous given that usernames are themselves anonymous unless you somehow provide identification. About the only thing that posting non-anonymously really does is provide a means for people to read your previous posts and gain an impression of your views on one or more subjects. That's not a bad thing at all (and it also helps posts be more visible once you've established some reputation for being at least not off-topic), but at the same time I've posted anonymously both here and on /. on the assumption that anonymous posts shouldn't be automatically ignored. On the whole, that's easier here than on /., though I'd not be foolish enough to say that the community here is perfect - merely that its faults I think are a mixture of its more limited size and its tendency to always hold itself in comparison with /....

      • (Score: 2) by Immerman on Tuesday April 28 2015, @03:36AM

        by Immerman (3985) on Tuesday April 28 2015, @03:36AM (#175949)

        I don't know, pseudonymity seems to have a couple things to offer over anonymity. Personally I think it makes the place more personable, letting me recognize when I'm reading something from someone who tends to have interesting perspectives to offer, or decide up front if I'm in the mood to engage with a regular sparring partner. It also shows a (slightly) greater commitment to the community, though without /.'s anonymous troll issues that's less significant. Perhaps the biggest difference is that it seems that anonymous postings don't trigger reply alerts even if you are actually logged in. At least on /., perhaps it's different here, can't say for sure that I've posted AC here before.

        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 28 2015, @07:02AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 28 2015, @07:02AM (#175980)

          Reputation is part of the problem. If you prejudge based on who is saying something, you are no longer looking at the ideas but how much you like the person saying them.

          It happens here on soylent just as much as elsewhere. Some people, regardless of current quality, will be modded up or down based on past behavior. We are not in middleschool. Discussions should not be popularity contests.

          • (Score: 2) by Common Joe on Tuesday April 28 2015, @11:22AM

            by Common Joe (33) <{common.joe.0101} {at} {gmail.com}> on Tuesday April 28 2015, @11:22AM (#176014) Journal

            I disagree. My time is limited so sometimes I prefer to read just the higher scoring comments or of those people I know. Seeing the names can help direct away too. I have a couple of friends on here that I'll occasionally avoid if I'm not in the mood to read their kind of comments. They can be a little trollish at times with certain topics, but I like them anyway as they usually (but not always) have something interesting to say. Other times when I have more time to kill, I'll head in for the anonymous coward comments and see what they are saying and try to add a few points here and there as appropriate so others doing the same thing as me have an opportunity to see the interesting AC comments.

            At least, that's how I play the game. I suspect many others do that too.

          • (Score: 2) by Immerman on Thursday April 30 2015, @05:37AM

            by Immerman (3985) on Thursday April 30 2015, @05:37AM (#176950)

            And? If this were an erudite platform frequented by people sharing deep and worthy thoughts I could see the problem. But it's an internet message board - the quality of comments (my own most definitely included) only rarely climbs to the level to be seen when any group of reasonably intelligent people gather for drunken carousing. We're here to share thoughts, play with ideas, and try to convince ourselves that it's not a pathetic third-rate alternative to actually having interesting conversations with real friends (and/or enemies) with whom we spend time on a regular basis. Recognition and "relationships" within the community help to soothe the social void that drove us here in the first place.

            Granted, if you make more than passing use of the moderation system you're going to miss a lot of good stuff, but I suspect most people likely to leave a comment worth reading recognize that and browse at 0 or lower anyway, so it acts as sort of a self-selecting filter.

    • (Score: 2) by q.kontinuum on Tuesday April 28 2015, @11:18AM

      by q.kontinuum (532) on Tuesday April 28 2015, @11:18AM (#176013) Journal

      The problem with anonymity is that all conversations become stateless. I don't like that. I prefer to get a feel for the different personalities. This helps a lot to avoid the guy with the most time at hands to gain the most influence; usually the really competent guys have other things to do than posting on $FORUM the whole day, so they'd only drop a few gems into the dung-heap, and pseudonyms help to find these gems faster.

      The problem with pseudonymity is that it might be resolved to the actual person, e.g. by law-enforcement, site-administrators (depending on email-address) etc. A better system would be imho a system where anyone can post public keys with a nicknames to a common repository, sign his messages with his private-key locally, and use these nicks however he wants, without any email-registration etc. That way, not even the site-administrator could falsify messages.

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  • (Score: 2) by vux984 on Wednesday April 29 2015, @09:36AM

    by vux984 (5045) on Wednesday April 29 2015, @09:36AM (#176521)

    Now that the /. beta is officially gone,

    Wait what? I missed that announcement. I don't see it on the site right now... but was there any annoucnement or fanfare about this??!