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Related to the earlier discussion about where ISIS gets its weapons, I wanted to share this great in-depth article from The Atlantic about the motivations of ISIS. Then In order to provide a more nuanced view of ISIS, here is criticism of that Atlantic article from thinkprogress.org.
From the Atlantic:
The Islamic State is no mere collection of psychopaths. It is a religious group with carefully considered beliefs, among them that it is a key agent of the coming apocalypse.
We can gather that their state rejects peace as a matter of principle; that it hungers for genocide; that its religious views make it constitutionally incapable of certain types of change, even if that change might ensure its survival; and that it considers itself a harbinger of—and headline player in—the imminent end of the world.
The thinkprogress.org criticism by one of the primary sources cited in the Atlantic article:
One of the oft-mentioned criticisms of The Atlantic piece is that it echoed the inaccurate belief that since ISIS’s theology draws upon Islamic texts to justify its horrendous practices, it is an inevitable product of Islam. Haykel didn’t say whether or not he thought Wood’s article says as much, but when ThinkProgress asked him directly whether Islamic texts and theology necessitate the creation of groups like ISIS, he was unequivocal.
“No,” he said. “I think that ISIS is a product of very contingent, contextual, historical factors. There is nothing predetermined in Islam that would lead to ISIS.”
He was similarly unambiguous when responding to the related critique that Muslims who disavow ISIS are somehow deluded or not “real” Muslims.
“I consider people … who have criticized ISIS to be fully within the Islamic tradition, and in no way ‘less Muslim’ than ISIS,” he said. “I mean, that’s absurd.”
(Score: 0, Troll) by zugedneb on Thursday April 30 2015, @09:26AM
1: the intelligent part:
A lot of violence in africa and middle east are a consequence of colonial+ethnic problems... and so forth...
2: the personal part
There are a lot of motherfuckers in the world nowdays, who seem to think that faggot USA and pathetic israel is some mighty shit, just because they meddle everywhere... USA has never been in a real war, where some others actually took personal interest in kicking american ass, and the fucking jews make their money on having fucking civilians as cattle...
I mean, fuck ur woman without consuming jewish products, like the weekly shitpapers, and hollywood and such...
However...
Eventually, these fucking retards will start to mess with europe, and europe is not the faggot USA... U don't fuck with europe...
Cuz if u fuck with europe, u fuck with east europeans and arians... And we don't mess around... When Russians + komrads and arians unite, we will unleash a brutality upon the, hmm, unrighteous (wtf?) such as the world has never seen...
We will murder every fucking muslim, social scientist, antrophologist, jew, hippie, theologist, feminist, and other fucking jew-product-consuming soft civilian trash...
There will be, motherfuckers, 3 things remaining:
fear
order
and tears...
old saying: "a troll is a window into the soul of humanity" + also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 30 2015, @09:41AM
Fuck off Europe, or your next war of Aryan conquest will be against China, Japan, and Korea all united against your underpopulated pussy asses.
(Score: 1, Troll) by zugedneb on Thursday April 30 2015, @09:56AM
Good point, let me elaborate.
Take fucking israel. The idiots think it is wise to kill of every palestinian who fights back, or otherwise shows some backbone...
So the ones with backbone dies.
Who the fuck remains?
The ones u see in a fucking refugee camps: spineless cowards with 7 children and 5 more dead...
This way the israelis only breed cockroaches... Eventually they will run over israel...
Now, U think muslims hard and gz paladins? lvl 90 elite? Cuz they behead the spineless and the woman?
If a place is shitty, and have been shitty for a while, but still has large population, it is because the majority is just vermin. Worms and cockroaches.
And now the muslims make big noise by converting woman to muslim with violence, and beheading some vermin...
I am shaking in fear...
old saying: "a troll is a window into the soul of humanity" + also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 30 2015, @10:48AM
http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Take_bbb634_637889.png [fjcdn.com]
(Score: 1, Disagree) by pTamok on Thursday April 30 2015, @09:52AM
...USA has never been in a real war...
How about the war of 1812, when the USA's enemies sacked Washington D.C., setting fire to the White House? They were repulsed at Baltimore. That seems to fit the bill of war on the USA's home territory.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 30 2015, @10:00AM
Nope. In the world according to gaymers, there are only two wars: World War II and the War On Terror. No other war has ever happened.
(Score: 2) by zugedneb on Thursday April 30 2015, @10:04AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812 [wikipedia.org]
That's not even the same thing...
UK was divided in that war, u did not have the entire fleet of a country or several countries coming for you...
When you have so many wars in more recent times, how can you take such a lame example?
old saying: "a troll is a window into the soul of humanity" + also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax
(Score: 2) by TheRaven on Thursday April 30 2015, @12:05PM
How about the war of 1812, when the USA's enemies sacked Washington D.C., setting fire to the White House?
You mean the little side show in the Napoleonic war, where America's enemies were more occupied much closer to home with the Iberian campaign and could only afford to devote token military resources to it before suing for peace to focus their efforts completely on the country that was a real threat?
sudo mod me up
(Score: 1) by pTamok on Thursday April 30 2015, @02:49PM
Yes, that's the one.
I chose it, as it's the only was I'm aware of where citizens of the USA were threatened on their own territory. I think the Mexican-American war of 1846-8 was fought entirely on what was Mexican territory, although I am not 100% sure.
You could count the Pacific campaign of WWII, given what happened at Pearl Harbor, but as far as I know, the continental USA was never threatened, even though the war in the Pacific was bloody.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 30 2015, @03:36PM
No True Scottsman, Ahoy! The USA has never been in a "real" war only if you define "real war" to exclude all the wars the USA has been part of.