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posted by CoolHand on Thursday April 30 2015, @05:02AM   Printer-friendly
from the someone-make-up-my-mind dept.
calmond writes:

Related to the earlier discussion about where ISIS gets its weapons, I wanted to share this great in-depth article from The Atlantic about the motivations of ISIS. Then In order to provide a more nuanced view of ISIS, here is criticism of that Atlantic article from thinkprogress.org.

From the Atlantic:

The Islamic State is no mere collection of psychopaths. It is a religious group with carefully considered beliefs, among them that it is a key agent of the coming apocalypse.

We can gather that their state rejects peace as a matter of principle; that it hungers for genocide; that its religious views make it constitutionally incapable of certain types of change, even if that change might ensure its survival; and that it considers itself a harbinger of—and headline player in—the imminent end of the world.

The thinkprogress.org criticism by one of the primary sources cited in the Atlantic article:

One of the oft-mentioned criticisms of The Atlantic piece is that it echoed the inaccurate belief that since ISIS’s theology draws upon Islamic texts to justify its horrendous practices, it is an inevitable product of Islam. Haykel didn’t say whether or not he thought Wood’s article says as much, but when ThinkProgress asked him directly whether Islamic texts and theology necessitate the creation of groups like ISIS, he was unequivocal.

“No,” he said. “I think that ISIS is a product of very contingent, contextual, historical factors. There is nothing predetermined in Islam that would lead to ISIS.”

He was similarly unambiguous when responding to the related critique that Muslims who disavow ISIS are somehow deluded or not “real” Muslims.

“I consider people … who have criticized ISIS to be fully within the Islamic tradition, and in no way ‘less Muslim’ than ISIS,” he said. “I mean, that’s absurd.”

 
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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Thexalon on Thursday April 30 2015, @03:42PM

    by Thexalon (636) on Thursday April 30 2015, @03:42PM (#177122)

    They have beliefs that are based on literal interpretation of Islamic texts and which have precedents in Islamic history

    A lot of their practices are in fact not based on literal interpretation of Islamic texts. Neither the Koran nor the Hadiths promote genocide of the wrong kind of Muslim, attacking Christians and Jews, or kidnapping foreigners and demanding ransom. The people Mohammed actually advocated fighting and killing were the polytheistic pagans that lived in the Arabian Peninsula prior to the Muslims dominating the region.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 30 2015, @04:27PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 30 2015, @04:27PM (#177148)

    > A lot of their practices are in fact not based on literal interpretation of Islamic texts.

    I ran across a study a few months ago that found that fundamentalists as a group are the people with the least knowledge of their professed religion. I forgot to bookmark it and I can't seem to find it again. But IIRC it wasn't limited to muslim fundamentalists, it was fundamentalists of all stripes.