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posted by janrinok on Thursday April 30 2015, @08:52AM   Printer-friendly
from the shortest-distance-between-two-points dept.

An L.A. Councilman is attempting to blame the application Waze for neighborhood "cut-throughs", where people divert to side streets during traffic congestion.

In his view this is a new phenomenon that has never happened before, although it is widespread around the world and has been so for many years, certainly existing long before 'apps' became popular. The councilor is planning on using a data sharing agreement with Waze in order to strong-arm the application into becoming less useful, which will not solve the problem because people will just use other applications, and those with local knowledge will still know the quickest route from A to B.

The popularity of Waze is largely because it helps drivers avoid delays and to find alternative routes based on the the reports received from other drivers. Applying the measures that the councilor is hoping for will neuter the app completely, rendering it pointless. However, the councilor does make one good point - there are more pedestrian safety facilities (e.g. crossing points, barriers etc) on major routes and that the practice might lead to increased casualty rates in residential areas.

 
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  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 30 2015, @09:10AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 30 2015, @09:10AM (#177008)

    I knew it!

    Once upon a time maps were for the military, and only for them, and that's how we should have kept it!
    In those times, the plebs stayed in their assigned place. Literally and figuratively. And it was good!
    (well, until the revolution came, that is)

    /irony off

    Don't want people escaping from traffic jams to other drivable streets? Instead of lying to them about the existence of said streets, how about a constructive solution like offering them a sane way of getting to work?

    Nah, can't do that, strong-arming the powerless has always been easier and much cheaper than solving real-world problems.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 30 2015, @09:33AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 30 2015, @09:33AM (#177011)

    Don't you draw a Basic Income from the Revolutionary Treasury like the rest of us after we toppled the Aristocracy in the Leisure Revolution?

  • (Score: 4, Informative) by Justin Case on Thursday April 30 2015, @11:24AM

    by Justin Case (4239) on Thursday April 30 2015, @11:24AM (#177034) Journal

    Indeed! What's with these serfs, trying to find a way to get there quicker? Just get in line and wait your turn like everybody else.

    And then they complain about half their income taken by taxes. Anarchists! Don't they know without taxes we wouldn't have these fine roads? Plus, it is bloody expensive adding a lane! Money which could be much better spent on another study of dung beetles, or on flushing a trillion gallons of California water down the river to save five endangered fish.

    • (Score: 3, Disagree) by canopic jug on Thursday April 30 2015, @02:56PM

      by canopic jug (3949) Subscriber Badge on Thursday April 30 2015, @02:56PM (#177094) Journal

      Perhaps my sarcasm detector is broken but adding lanes only makes the traffic jams worse [wired.com]. It's a known phenomenon that new or expanded roads don't ease congestion [bicycleuniverse.info]. What is needed there is to get mass transit to get the cars off the road. Or reduce the number of people. Move to where the water is.

      And the fish had plenty of water before clever people decided to grow rice and alfalfa in the desert. Yes, the U.S. has deserts and it's just as stupid to live in them [youtube.com] as other country's deserts. Food should be grown where the water is. With the current climate, much of what is grown in California ought to be moved to Georgia or thereabouts.

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      • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Thursday April 30 2015, @03:18PM

        by Thexalon (636) on Thursday April 30 2015, @03:18PM (#177106)

        With the current climate, much of what is grown in California ought to be moved to Georgia or thereabouts.

        When you think about it, California is approximately the worst possible place for water-intensive agriculture. Especially compared with, say, Oregon or Lousiana or Ohio, all of which are much wetter. The attitude seems to be along the lines of "All the banks said I was daft to build a farm in a desert, but I built it all the same, just to show 'em!"

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        • (Score: 2, Funny) by nitehawk214 on Thursday April 30 2015, @04:36PM

          by nitehawk214 (1304) on Thursday April 30 2015, @04:36PM (#177154)

          Sadly there is no swamp for their farm to sink in to.

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      • (Score: 2) by GungnirSniper on Thursday April 30 2015, @03:59PM

        by GungnirSniper (1671) on Thursday April 30 2015, @03:59PM (#177129) Journal

        With this sort of logic no highways, rails, or subways should be built because people will use them. Madness. All that "induced demand" is traffic that is already trying alternate routes because the ones we paid for aren't working!

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 30 2015, @04:08PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 30 2015, @04:08PM (#177136)

        I read that article and it does put up a reasonable argument. The argument is that we're compelled to pay for roads so why not fully utilize them when it better suits us since I'm paying for them anyways and my additional cost of using what I already paid for is small compared to my entire cost of building the roads. For instance if I can get a better job further away with higher pay and my transportation costs in addition to what I'm compelled to pay through taxes are $10 a month but I can make $30 a month more (just an example) my net benefit is $20 a month. However, what the government compelled me to pay for those roads is an additional $30 a month making my total cost for building the roads and using them an additional $40 a month. $40 - $30 = $10 that I'm out if you factor in what I pay for those roads as a taxpayer into the equation. If I get to choose not to pay for those roads if I don't use them and getting a slightly lower paying local job instead I would choose that because my net income would still be greater.

        Perhaps this is a decent argument for toll roads but if we are to have toll roads the proceeds should be government collected to be distributed back into the general fund. If a business far away wants you bad enough ensure that they pay for your transportation as well, heck, they can even negotiate deals with government over bulk payment plans for larger quantities of employees.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 30 2015, @03:25PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 30 2015, @03:25PM (#177111)

    Agreed. These stupid for profit express lanes have to go.

  • (Score: 1) by nitehawk214 on Thursday April 30 2015, @04:33PM

    by nitehawk214 (1304) on Thursday April 30 2015, @04:33PM (#177151)

    Us plebs should stick to the signed roads. The back way through this councilman's neighborhood should be kept empty!

    In my city a few years back there was a huge row over snow removal. The city workers were plowing the streets with city council members first, then leaving the slums a complete disaster for days on end.

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    "Don't you ever miss the days when you used to be nostalgic?" -Loiosh
  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 30 2015, @04:57PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 30 2015, @04:57PM (#177160)

    Building roads to solve traffic jams has been shown not to work. Better public transport somewhat works but even there supply (i.e. more transport capacity) creates demand (even more people traveling). It is a difficult to solve problem, and in no way will it be solved by letting annoyed commuters take shortcuts trough residential areas.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 30 2015, @05:10PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 30 2015, @05:10PM (#177163)

      There's an upper limit to travel: At no time, more than all of the people can travel at the same time.

      Well, at least until time travel gets invented.