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posted by cmn32480 on Monday May 11 2015, @03:16PM   Printer-friendly
from the who-is-your-talking-head dept.

Reuters tells us:

As Jon Stewart winds down his 19-year stint as host of Comedy Central's The Daily Show, he and Stephen Colbert sit at the peak of American punditry despite their left-leaning view of life, the universe and everything.

In an era of diffused voices and divided politics, they are well known, widely admired, and speak to Americans in ways that no one else does, according to a recent Reuters/Ipsos poll.

This poll tracks 10 different pundits. Split evenly between conservative and liberal. It is also worth noting that four of the five on the liberal side are comedians, while none of the conservative pundits are trained to tell jokes.

 
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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 11 2015, @05:32PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 11 2015, @05:32PM (#181548)

    Both parties are similar enough when it comes to matters of freedom and the constitution that they are both worthless. Vote third party or don't bother voting at all, as voting for evil scumbags harms us all. As for me, I'll only vote for candidates that completely oppose mass surveillance (not just the NSA's, but other forms of it like license plate readers and Stringrays), completely oppose the drug war (Not just the war on marijuana; all drugs must be legalized.), oppose DUI checkpoints, want to eliminate the TSA entirely, want to end FCC censorship and all forms of obscenity laws, oppose all forms of warrantless wiretapping, oppose all these wars we're getting ourselves into, oppose constitution-free zones, oppose draconian copyright laws, and just generally want to follow the constitution rather than ignore it to give the government more power. If you vote for candidates that are not like this, you are the problem and it would be better if you don't vote at all.

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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 11 2015, @06:05PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 11 2015, @06:05PM (#181558)

    I'm fine with not voting at all, but in that case at least turn in a blank fucking ballot.

    If you don't show up, they know they can safely ignore you. If you turn in a blank ballot, they don't get to know that. The added time taken is about 30m per year.

    Now, if you want to form an educated opinion, that takes longer.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 11 2015, @09:57PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 11 2015, @09:57PM (#181665)

      Some people have been told that there is "mandated voting" in Australia.
      Strictly speaking, that isn't true.
      You are required to show up at the polls and sign in.

      Once they hand you a ballot, you can
      - stick that unmarked ballot directly into the box (as you suggest).
      - mark every square on the ballot and stick it in the box.
      (This is better IMO than a blank ballot that someone with evil intent can easily alter.)
      - write FUCK $DAMNED_POLITICIAN in giant letters on it and stick it in the box.

      If you don't show up and sign in, there is a fine of an hour or two's wages.

      ...and isn't it interesting how some people will piss and moan out loud or in an online forum then--when it really counts--don't want their voices heard and don't cast a ballot?

      -- gewg_ (who tends to vote 3rd party)

      • (Score: 1) by Bogsnoticus on Tuesday May 12 2015, @01:20AM

        by Bogsnoticus (3982) on Tuesday May 12 2015, @01:20AM (#181740)

        An an aussie, I have staunchly defended our compulsory voting regime against all those who have tried to tear it down as an afront to freedom, liberty etc etc.

        If you don't cast your vote, you have no legitimate right to piss and moan about the people who end up running the country. They are all too happy to whine loudly about the politicians, but they cant be arsed to do the one thing that matters to try and hold them accountable.

        Sure, these days it doesnt seem to matter much whether you vote right, left, centre, or just scrawl "fuck them all sideways with a bargepole" on the ballot form, but at least going in to vote actually shows you give a shit about how you want your country run.

        --
        Genius by birth. Evil by choice.
        • (Score: 2) by Anal Pumpernickel on Tuesday May 12 2015, @02:34AM

          by Anal Pumpernickel (776) on Tuesday May 12 2015, @02:34AM (#181761)

          If you don't cast your vote, you have no legitimate right to piss and moan about the people who end up running the country.

          That right is called "freedom of speech", and yes, they would have that right if they failed to vote. And no, even if they didn't vote, that wouldn't make their observations incorrect, as arguments stand on their own merit. You might argue that if they want to see things change, they should vote for candidates who will implement changes. I would agree. But saying they don't have a right to complain if they don't vote makes no sense no matter how I look at it.

          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by tangomargarine on Tuesday May 12 2015, @03:08AM

            by tangomargarine (667) on Tuesday May 12 2015, @03:08AM (#181769)

            "Ah, but Mr. Anderson, how can you vote for a candidate who will implement changes, if such a candidate cannot get on the ballot?"

            --
            "Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
          • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Bogsnoticus on Tuesday May 12 2015, @04:27AM

            by Bogsnoticus (3982) on Tuesday May 12 2015, @04:27AM (#181789)

            Perhaps you should have read my comment fully, before claiming something that does not exist in the context to which you are replying. I draw your attention to "As an aussie".

            Now, unlike the US, we do not have "the right to free speech" enshrined in our constitution. It's not even listed as a common law principle in our country. It is, however, staunchly defended by threat of beating politicians to death with a cricket bat, should they try to remove our "free" speech.

            In the US, you may have a "legal" right to whinge, bitch and moan about whoever gets into power, but if all you do is whinge, bitch and moan, instead of acting as a force of change, then that "right" is only a legal one, and not a legitimate one.

            Get out and vote. Hold your politicians accountable for their actions towards you, and your society. To do otherwise is the equivalent of telling your parents you're going to hold your breath until they buy you that candy bar.

            --
            Genius by birth. Evil by choice.
            • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Tuesday May 12 2015, @06:01AM

              by aristarchus (2645) on Tuesday May 12 2015, @06:01AM (#181809) Journal

              And, the Aussie wins! Yeah! Now you were saying about internet freedom and not being a nation of criminals, and that Bufo toads are _not_ a problem? But good on ya, mate! Free speech is not free! I like that slogan.

              • (Score: 1) by Bogsnoticus on Tuesday May 12 2015, @07:26AM

                by Bogsnoticus (3982) on Tuesday May 12 2015, @07:26AM (#181841)

                We're not a nation of criminals. We are a nation that has descended/evolved from criminals. Working class criminals I hasten to add.
                Upper class criminals (d)evolve into politicians.

                --
                Genius by birth. Evil by choice.
                • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Tuesday May 12 2015, @07:39AM

                  by aristarchus (2645) on Tuesday May 12 2015, @07:39AM (#181846) Journal

                  Yes, of course. This is why America and Australia have so much in common. They both are equally opposed to Bloody Poms. (Americans don't call them that, but share the sentiment.)

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 12 2015, @07:47PM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 12 2015, @07:47PM (#182067)

                    ...until a baby is born to the royal family.
                    ...or a commoner marries into that inbred lot.
                    ...or that commoner dies in a car wreck.

                    We fought a revolutionary war to dump the lot but there is a certain portion that still feels a need to fawn over aristocratic overlords.

                    -- gewg_

                    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday May 13 2015, @11:54PM

                      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday May 13 2015, @11:54PM (#182713) Journal
                      Good use for comparative advantage.
            • (Score: 2) by Anal Pumpernickel on Tuesday May 12 2015, @01:26PM

              by Anal Pumpernickel (776) on Tuesday May 12 2015, @01:26PM (#181924)

              Perhaps you should have read my comment fully, before claiming something that does not exist in the context to which you are replying. I draw your attention to "As an aussie".

              I don't care if you're an aussie, because even you have free speech rights, even if they're not in some constitution.

              In the US, you may have a "legal" right to whinge, bitch and moan about whoever gets into power, but if all you do is whinge, bitch and moan, instead of acting as a force of change, then that "right" is only a legal one, and not a legitimate one.

              It's fully legitimate either way.

              Get out and vote.

              I did say that that's a good idea for the people who want change.

  • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by isostatic on Monday May 11 2015, @11:18PM

    by isostatic (365) on Monday May 11 2015, @11:18PM (#181697) Journal

    If everyone who didn't bother do vote in 2012 had turns up and written "Fuck You", the president with a landslide - twice as many votes as Obama - would be a Chinese bloke. Don't you DARE tell me that voting doesn't work your fucking terrorist commie fascist.