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posted by CoolHand on Friday May 15 2015, @01:02PM   Printer-friendly
from the eraser dept.

Google's Transparency Report reveals that since the Court of Justice of the European Union's ruling on May 13, 2014 that established "the right to be forgotten" for Europeans, Google has received 255,143 requests to remove a total of 925,586 URLs. Google removed 323,482 of those URLs (41.3%).

However, that effort isn't enough for some:

Google is receiving a telling off from the UK's Information Commissioner's Office and may face legal action after failing to adequately respond to several so-called "right to be forgotten" requests. The ICO told The Register that "since the details of the ruling were first announced, we have handled over 183 complaints from those unhappy with Google's response to their takedown request". The ICO estimates that Google has mismanaged individuals' requests to remove their information in a quarter of cases.

The independent UK body set up to uphold information rights also says it will now be looking to resolve the 48 remaining cases "through discussion and negotiation with Google, though we have enforcement powers available to us if required".

In addition, 80 legal experts have written an open letter to Google demanding more data about how Google responds to removal requests:

What We Seek

Aggregate data about how Google is responding to the >250,000 requests to delist links thought to contravene data protection from name search results. We should know if the anecdotal evidence of Google's process is representative: What sort of information typically gets delisted (e.g., personal health) and what sort typically does not (e.g., about a public figure), in what proportions and in what countries?

Why It's Important

Google and other search engines have been enlisted to make decisions about the proper balance between personal privacy and access to information. The vast majority of these decisions face no public scrutiny, though they shape public discourse. What's more, the values at work in this process will/should inform information policy around the world. A fact-free debate about the RTBF is in no one's interest.

 
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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by bradley13 on Friday May 15 2015, @01:12PM

    by bradley13 (3053) on Friday May 15 2015, @01:12PM (#183323) Homepage Journal

    The entire concept is flawed: It only requires search engines to remove the links; it does not require the source material to be deleted. Take, for example, the original case that caused all of this: a Spanish businessman who filed for bankruptcy two decades ago. His claim - likely correct - is that this ancient bankruptcy still causes him problems today. Fair enough - is the Spanish government willing to expunge their records? And require all Spanish newspapers to delete their articles? No? Then why, pray tell, are search engines not allowed to link to that material? It's just bizarre.

    The search engines are not being reimbursed for their expenses; this is just another unfunded government mandate. They can do any damned thing they please. Mind, I'm not saying that they shouldn't have good systems in place, but this is just an overhead expense, not something they have any incentive to invest in.

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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Nerdfest on Friday May 15 2015, @01:55PM

    by Nerdfest (80) on Friday May 15 2015, @01:55PM (#183331)

    Also, why just Google?

    • (Score: 1) by nitehawk214 on Friday May 15 2015, @02:19PM

      by nitehawk214 (1304) on Friday May 15 2015, @02:19PM (#183337)

      Oh, I know this one. Because Google has piles of money that they can sue for. Surprised they did not add Bing to this. DuckDuckGo has no money, therefore no point in suing them.

      What, someone says the point of this was to get the information off the internet? Wrong. Remember it is lawyers sending out the open letter. They just want someone to bleed money from, and Google has plenty.

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    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 15 2015, @02:31PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 15 2015, @02:31PM (#183346)

      > Also, why just Google?

      Because google has a near monopoly on the search market. When your goal is to increase the effort for people to search for something it makes sense to start with the most commonly used search engine.

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by tibman on Friday May 15 2015, @08:31PM

        by tibman (134) Subscriber Badge on Friday May 15 2015, @08:31PM (#183475)

        They don't have a monopoly. They have the best. If another search engine was better then more people would be using that one. The difficulty in switching search engines is so minimal that a cat walking across your keyboard could do it.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 15 2015, @11:39PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 15 2015, @11:39PM (#183568)

          Looks like you are yet another dumbfuck dictionary pedant who picks a single definition of a word and criticizes someone else for not using your definition despite the fact that the definition they did use is not controversial at all. Don't be that guy anymore, ok?

          • (Score: 2) by tibman on Friday May 15 2015, @11:59PM

            by tibman (134) Subscriber Badge on Friday May 15 2015, @11:59PM (#183579)

            Okay. You have convinced me that it is acceptable to invent meanings for words and use them in arguments while expecting other people to agree with the makeshift usage. Just like how your use of dumbfuck was describing a friendly pat on the back and smile in a lighthearted attempt to sway me to your side. Very clever of you!

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 15 2015, @07:19PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 15 2015, @07:19PM (#183458)

      Because Google has a greater than 90% search monopoly in Europe. [businessinsider.com] If you're not on Google, you're not on the Internet as far as the plebs can tell.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 15 2015, @02:29PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 15 2015, @02:29PM (#183343)

    > The entire concept is flawed: It only requires search engines to remove the links; it does not require the source material to be deleted.

    No your understanding of the goals is flawed. Privacy never was and never will be black and white, private or public. There are all kinds of inbetween states, graduations of grey, where information is mostly private but still somewhat available. For example:

    It used to be that if you wanted to research a person you had to make an effort - you had to haul your ass down to the library and manually search through microfiche copies of all newspapers. Or haul your ass down to the court house to check conviction records. Or haul your ass down to the tax assesor's office to check property ownership records. Etc.

    The amount of effort required to do that research created a level of privacy for everyone. If it wasn't really important to someone, your personal information would not be known by everyone.

    Search engines have moved a lot what was mostly private to mostly public. The right to be forgotten is about moving some of that stuff back towards the mostly private side of the spectrum. The goal is not to delete the information, it is to increase the amount of effort required to find it so that some of that pre-search engine privacy is restored.

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by The Archon V2.0 on Friday May 15 2015, @03:05PM

      by The Archon V2.0 (3887) on Friday May 15 2015, @03:05PM (#183354)

      Another example is those sites with mugshots that will take them down if you pay them money. Those mugshots always existed, but it was useless for extortion until people started Googling their dates and potential employees. (And I use
      "Googling" quite deliberately - this racket only started working once a search engine was good enough to become a part of daily life.)

      • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Friday May 15 2015, @03:48PM

        by kaszz (4211) on Friday May 15 2015, @03:48PM (#183370) Journal

        Provided the cost is lower than taking down the mugshot site alltogether :P

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by CirclesInSand on Friday May 15 2015, @03:54PM

      by CirclesInSand (2899) on Friday May 15 2015, @03:54PM (#183377)

      It doesn't matter what the goals of legislation is. What matters is the policy and the outcome. "Right to be forgotten" is typical reactionary legislation. People are upset that they can't hide the truth from the public, so they try to pass legislation to make it illegal. They focus on the goal rather than the obvious outcome (if you have to be told what happens when you can legally suppress the truth, you aren't paying attention).

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 15 2015, @04:30PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 15 2015, @04:30PM (#183391)

        People are upset that they can't hide the truth from the public

        Wrong, people are upset because mistakes from decades ago are still being held against them. Lets see how you'd like it if an arrest from right after you turned 18 was still used to deny you employment in your 30s, or if you still can't get a date because some bitter bitch falsely claimed you raped her 15 years ago. But then you'd just be upset because you couldn't hide the truth right? It wouldn't have anything to do with being treated unfairly over things that happened half a lifetime ago, things that lost their relevance a long time ago.

        • (Score: 2) by Nerdfest on Friday May 15 2015, @05:09PM

          by Nerdfest (80) on Friday May 15 2015, @05:09PM (#183404)

          The 'wrong' part of what you saying is not the that information can be found, it's that non-relevant information is being used against people. Rather than trying to hide information (it wants to be free, remember?) through legislation, use legislation to make the use of non-relevant information illegal. It may accomplish just as little, but at least it would be going after the right thing.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 15 2015, @11:32PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 15 2015, @11:32PM (#183564)

            > Rather than trying to hide information (it wants to be free, remember?) through legislation, use legislation to make the use of non-relevant information illegal.

            Think about what you are proposing, how it would have to play out.

            Who decides what is "non-relevant information?" You want the government to specify a list of everything that people can (or can not) think about whenever they interact with someone? And if you violate that list you go to jail?

            All you guys are stuck in black-and-white, binary choices geek mindset when the real world is analog. Right to be forgotten is an analog solution to an analog problem. No solution will be perfect, but any counter-proposals have to least be plausible.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 18 2015, @03:00AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 18 2015, @03:00AM (#184288)

              All you guys are stuck in black-and-white

              How is deciding non-relevant information on a case-by-case basis black-and-white? Using that logic, this censorship scheme is black-and-white thinking. The law isn't always black-and-white, you know. Sometimes it's quite ambiguous, out of necessity. I'll take that over this censorship implementation.

        • (Score: 2) by RedGreen on Friday May 15 2015, @05:19PM

          by RedGreen (888) on Friday May 15 2015, @05:19PM (#183409)

          "Wrong, people are upset because mistakes from decades ago are still being held against them. Lets see how you'd like it if an arrest from right after you turned 18 was still used to deny you employment in your 30s, or if you still can't get a date because some bitter bitch falsely claimed you raped her 15 years ago. But then you'd just be upset because you couldn't hide the truth right? It wouldn't have anything to do with being treated unfairly over things that happened half a lifetime ago, things that lost their relevance a long time ago."

          Already happens around here if you want job most adds I see require criminal record background check with the job application/resume. So if you want that wonderful job of sweeping floors or working in a recycling plant .. just about anything you are not getting it unless you have had a pardon for that offense if you had one.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 15 2015, @11:36PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 15 2015, @11:36PM (#183567)

            > Already happens around here if you want job most adds I see require criminal record background check with the job application/resume.

            Actually your example is a perfect case of a narrow application of an american version of something much like right to be forgotten. It is called ban the box [wikipedia.org] and it is slowly gaining momentum.

        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday May 15 2015, @07:02PM

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday May 15 2015, @07:02PM (#183454) Journal
          Why would that be online in the first place? And why is it the search engine's job to police that information, especially when people can just use search engines which don't have to comply with that law?
    • (Score: 2) by VortexCortex on Friday May 15 2015, @06:02PM

      by VortexCortex (4067) on Friday May 15 2015, @06:02PM (#183429)

      Search engines have moved a lot what was mostly private to mostly public. The right to be forgotten is about moving some of that stuff back towards the mostly private side of the spectrum. The goal is not to delete the information, it is to increase the amount of effort required to find it so that some of that pre-search engine privacy is restored.

      I have my own web spider software / recommendation engine, and I intend to use it to give back some privacy to people by allowing them to run search and recommendations in their own home, with data kept on servers they control, not via some 3rd party marketing agency. The search spider is a side effect of a digital assistant AI which also indexes documents and scans video / audio feeds (stuff you want kept in-house and not cached in some 3rd party server). I have no facility to pre-censor public data -- I can't tell the AI to be completely blind to certain bits of reality, pattern recognition must occur first; Besides, you wouldn't trust an AI that lied to you and said it couldn't find something that it had indeed found. I can aim the AI's spider at a specific group of sites and scan for things it thinks match my interest graph (which it will alert me to when it thinks I'm in the mood to see them). If I was interested in Spain and Bankruptcy that guy's data would probably be on my drives already. Things like this could be the future of search, in the best interest of end-user privacy. Data storage is cheap, you don't need to index/store everything (just what you find interesting), and even decentralized search is more "private" than centralized search engines. What happens when everyone has a search engine? It might be time to rethink your position.

      It will only get easier to find data in the future. Just like how computers were only owned by large countries and companies, and we now have computers in damn near everything with a battery, the search engines and recommendation AI will also become personalized (already happened) and then personally owned (the next phase, ironing out bugs now). The best way to increase the burden to search for the records will be to keep the records offline. It's not the data network's fault that the state is publishing data the state thinks shouldn't be available to the data network.

      The real problem is that this is just more growing pains of adapting to a world wide information network. If you go do something outside in public and someone sees you, you don't have the right to reach into their heads and erase that memory... yet. It should be like that online too. I would rather live in a world where we accept public events (like filing for bankruptcy in a public court) can't be erased from my head. The alternative is that future AI's (and the hackers that love them) create Terminators to fight for their Right to Remember.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 15 2015, @03:34PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 15 2015, @03:34PM (#183365)

    The idea here is that when you searched something before Google/search-engines, you would get lot's of current relevant results. Due to search engines and that they mostly work on ranking by popularity you can get decade old results of a bankruptcy instead of current relevant information on a thriving business. That can scare people away.

    The fact that the search engines aren't reimbursed is a weak argument. I don't think you'll want the government to reimburse oil companies for cleaning up their own pollution, or the mandatory air filters on industrial equipment. These examples are not in the same order of magnitude by far, but it is the same category.

    • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 15 2015, @04:01PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 15 2015, @04:01PM (#183383)

      The idea here is to have more government censorship, which is always bad.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 15 2015, @06:41PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 15 2015, @06:41PM (#183447)

        Being opposed to censorship is trolling, clearly.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by RedGreen on Friday May 15 2015, @05:29PM

      by RedGreen (888) on Friday May 15 2015, @05:29PM (#183415)

      "The idea here is that when you searched something before Google/search-engines, you would get lot's of current relevant results. Due to search engines and that they mostly work on ranking by popularity you can get decade old results of a bankruptcy instead of current relevant information on a thriving business. That can scare people away."

      Red herring decade old results are not going to be popular unless they are relevant and linked in todays world. They will be buried hundreds of pages deep as their age and lack of links to them would warrant. Just in case you have not noticed how search engines work even with a new topic of today with all the garbage that is spewed by them now I have to go 5 or 10 pages deep on a lot of searches just to find relevant information.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 17 2015, @12:08PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 17 2015, @12:08PM (#184019)

        Wrong: https://www.google.com/#safe=off&q=Todd+Cameron+Smith [google.com]

        All the top results for this guy's name refers to his role as the gunman in a 1999 school shooting. It's unlikely that his actions as an abused teenager reflect in any way on his character 15 years later, but good luck getting a job if that's your name.

        If you've ever faced a trial-by-media, then chances are that will be your "Internet criminal record" forever, even if you are innocent, and even if the courts find you innocent.