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posted by cmn32480 on Sunday May 17 2015, @12:56AM   Printer-friendly
from the the-sky-is-falling dept.

Stephanie Strom writes in the NYT that deadly avian flu viruses have affected more than 33 million turkeys, chickens and ducks since December and while farmers in Asia and elsewhere have had to grapple with avian flu epidemics, farmers in the United States have never confronted a health crisis among livestock like this one. Almost every day brings confirmation by the Agriculture Department that at least another hundred thousand or so birds must be destroyed; some days, the number exceeds several million.

Mounds and mounds of carcasses have piled up in vast barns in the northwestern corner of Iowa, where farmers and officials have been appealing for help to deal with disposal of such a vast number of flocks. Workers wearing masks and protective gear have scrambled to clear the barns, but it is a painstaking process. In these close-knit towns that include many descendants of the area’s original Dutch settlers, some farmers have resorted to burying dead birds in hurriedly dug trenches on their own land, while officials weighed using landfills and mobile incinerators. Federal lawmakers from Iowa called on the Agriculture Department to do more to help farmers with the culling and disposal of birds. The federal agency has made tens of millions of dollars available for assistance, and noted that it is deploying hundreds of staff members, including 85 in Iowa.

Iowa, where one in every five eggs consumed in the country is laid, has been the hardest hit: More than 40 percent of its egg-laying hens are dead or dying. Many are in this region, where barns house up to half a million birds in cages stacked to the rafters. The high density of these egg farms helps to explain why the flu, which can kill 90 percent or more of a flock within 48 hours, is decimating more birds in Iowa than in other states. “It’s important that we get that done fairly soon and we need landfills to be reasonable in terms of the charges they’re assessing and willing to take these birds,” says US Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack. “But at some point in time we’ve basically got to get rid of these birds because otherwise we’re going to begin to have some other issues in terms of odor and flies and things of that nature that people are obviously not going to want to deal with.”

 
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  • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 17 2015, @01:42AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 17 2015, @01:42AM (#183904)

    The Jungle (1906) [wikipedia.org]
    Bitter Harvest (1981) [wikipedia.org]
    The more you learn about how your food is produced, the less you want to eat animal-based food.
    The indifference|non-existence of regulators in those stories is appalling.

    -- gewg_

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 17 2015, @01:46AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 17 2015, @01:46AM (#183907)

    What the fuck?

    Did you seriously just try to back up your asinine claims using a novel from over 100 years ago, and a fictional made-for-TV special?!

    I never expect good evidence out of you, but holy fuck, this case is bad even by your pathetically low standards!

  • (Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 17 2015, @01:49AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 17 2015, @01:49AM (#183908)

    Why the heck was that modded "informative"?

    He referenced works of fiction!

    Fiction is, by definition, not real!

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 17 2015, @01:58AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 17 2015, @01:58AM (#183913)

      Get a user account and you can have mod points too

  • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 17 2015, @01:53AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 17 2015, @01:53AM (#183910)

    Repeat after me: fictional works are not evidence!

    • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 17 2015, @01:57AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 17 2015, @01:57AM (#183912)

      Fictional evidence led to the passage of the Meat Inspection Act and the Pure Food and Drug Act of 1906

    • (Score: 2) by Tork on Sunday May 17 2015, @04:10AM

      by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Sunday May 17 2015, @04:10AM (#183953)

      Unless we're talking about Skynet. ;)

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    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by captain normal on Sunday May 17 2015, @04:52AM

      by captain normal (2205) on Sunday May 17 2015, @04:52AM (#183960)

      Fictional evidence is used every days in courts all over the US. The congresses of the US and all the states pass laws based on fictional evidence. What have you got against fictional evidence?

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    • (Score: 2) by Hartree on Sunday May 17 2015, @05:30AM

      by Hartree (195) on Sunday May 17 2015, @05:30AM (#183965)

      They're usually the most effective evidence. A documentary setting out your position will only be watched by those already converted or that you bamboozle into watching it, like an advertisement before an Epic Fails video on Youtube.

      Get a successful fictional movie or book out that extols your position and not only will you convince large numbers, you'll make a tidy profit when they willingly buy it at Amazon or Netflix (or watch commercials that others bamboozle them into watching).

      • (Score: 2, Informative) by Eunuchswear on Sunday May 17 2015, @08:32AM

        by Eunuchswear (525) on Sunday May 17 2015, @08:32AM (#183989) Journal

        Case in point -- whole masses of AGW deniers seem to think Chrichton's State of Fear was some kind of documentary.

        --
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    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 17 2015, @09:53AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 17 2015, @09:53AM (#183997)

      Woot?

      fictional works are not evidence!

      Surely, you jest, my dear AC! Of course they are! The very best sort of evidence! Have you heard of:

      The Bible
      The Wealth of Nations
      Robinson Crusoe
      Atlas Shrugged
      9-11 Report
      Reefer Madness

      Very effective fiction! I hear Rubio is going to "write" a book, too!

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 17 2015, @01:55AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 17 2015, @01:55AM (#183911)

    Got any real sources? Ones that aren't made-for-telly dramas or Edwardian era novels?

    • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Sunday May 17 2015, @07:38PM

      by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Sunday May 17 2015, @07:38PM (#184160) Journal

      FWIW, the Jungle wasn't exactly fiction. It was closer to a docudrama, sort of half-way between fiction and fact.

      Also there have been quite recent reports (within the last decade) of meat plant inspectors being refused entry to plants. IIRC the result of that was to cut the number of meat plant inspectors. Now I will agree that this isn't proof that anything nefarious is happening. But I find it convincing circumstantial evidence.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 17 2015, @02:02AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 17 2015, @02:02AM (#183914)

    Those are the worst citations I've ever seen anybody make, ever. Not only are they fictional, but they're decades or even a century out of date.

  • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 17 2015, @02:12AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 17 2015, @02:12AM (#183919)

    You're lucky this isn't Wikipedia. Even they would laugh at you for citing old fictional movies and novels as references, and they'll accept pathetically bad references over there.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 17 2015, @02:22AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 17 2015, @02:22AM (#183923)

    gewg, what are we supposed to learn from these made up stories? I once read a book about people in the desert who would collect the poopoo of big desert worms and they'd eat it to give themselves magical powers. But since it was a fictional story that means it didn't actually happen.

    • (Score: 1) by Eunuchswear on Sunday May 17 2015, @08:30AM

      by Eunuchswear (525) on Sunday May 17 2015, @08:30AM (#183987) Journal

      Well then, you missed a lot of what was going on in Dune, the first SF book to talk about ecology.

      --
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  • (Score: 1, Disagree) by albert on Sunday May 17 2015, @02:38AM

    by albert (276) on Sunday May 17 2015, @02:38AM (#183926)

    I really don't care if conditions make the chickens look miserable. They are chickens. If live plucking or cooking makes them taste better or reduces costs, go for it.

    Biosafety is another matter. All of us are affected, even those who don't eat chicken. There should be no need to vaccinate a chicken. There should be no need to give antibiotics to a chicken. These aren't people with the right to roam about, traveling in crowded buses and visiting church. They are chickens. They are supposed to stay inside, quarantined from every other farm and from wildlife. Contact with humans should be minimized and, in our robotic future, ideally eliminated.

    These farmers failed. We shouldn't help them. We should punish them for putting all of us at risk. Disease doesn't spread without stupidity, laziness, or malice.

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by GungnirSniper on Sunday May 17 2015, @03:10AM

      by GungnirSniper (1671) on Sunday May 17 2015, @03:10AM (#183930) Journal

      I really don't care if conditions make the chickens look miserable. They are chickens. If live plucking or cooking makes them taste better or reduces costs, go for it.

      You sound like someone who skins dogs alive or uses blowtorches on them because it makes the meat "better tasting." Sadly this still happens in east Asia.

      There is an ethical requirement to minimize the suffering of other creatures, even if they are going to end up on our plates.

      • (Score: 1, Offtopic) by albert on Sunday May 17 2015, @04:01AM

        by albert (276) on Sunday May 17 2015, @04:01AM (#183951)

        I see you don't appreciate cultural diversity. There is no such ethical requirement except in your own mind, and certainly not in East Asia.

        Here is where your "ethical requirement" comes from:

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_welfare_in_Nazi_Germany [wikipedia.org]
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler_and_vegetarianism [wikipedia.org]

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 17 2015, @04:17AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 17 2015, @04:17AM (#183955)

          Jesus Christ, Hitler was right AGAIN

        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 17 2015, @05:17PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 17 2015, @05:17PM (#184093)

          Hitler liked puppies. Therefore, puppies are bad!

          I see you don't appreciate cultural diversity.

          Morality doesn't end at the border. Contrary to popular belief, it's perfectly possible to believe that those who intentionally inflict needless suffering on living beings are immoral no matter where they live. If a culture promotes that, then the culture is backwards.

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 17 2015, @05:44PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 17 2015, @05:44PM (#184101)

          Here is where your "ethical requirement" comes from:

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_welfare_in_Nazi_Germany [wikipedia.org]
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler_and_vegetarianism [wikipedia.org]

          Not sure if ad hominem or red herring, but obvious sophistry. "Hitler liked it/did x" does not make x a bad thing.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 18 2015, @05:12PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 18 2015, @05:12PM (#184637)

        ethical requirement

        What does that mean and how far do you go? How much suffering is alright to inflict? Is it ethical to kill and eat animals just because they taste better than vegetables?

    • (Score: 1) by ThG on Sunday May 17 2015, @08:30AM

      by ThG (4568) on Sunday May 17 2015, @08:30AM (#183988)

      They are living creatures just like you and me. People like you should be put in those cages, not those animals.
      People like you are the reason why this planet is dying. Go fuck yourself.