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AlterNet reports:
Illinois governor Bruce Rauner watched his anti-union bill called, "Right-To-Work", die a swift, cruel death in the House [May 14]. [...] The the tally [PDF] was 0 yes votes, 72 no votes, and 37 voting present.
Fun with math: The Illinois House has 118 members.
A handful of Republicans went for a walk during the vote, not publicly falling on one side or another.
Source: Chicago Sun Times
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Illinois Governor Gets Zero Votes On His "Right To Work" Bill
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(Score: 5, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Monday May 18 2015, @02:28AM
You know - you almost sounded like you knew what you were talking about for a short bit there. But - when you claim that the Chinese make higher quality product, you've lost it. The Chinese produce junk, almost exclusively. There is little that they produce that has any claim to quality. But, their shit is cheap! And, uneducated lackwits who are incapable of judging quality will always buy the cheapest item on the shelf.
Have you had any good melamine flavored milk lately?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 18 2015, @02:33AM
You never drove an American-made auto in the 1970s or 1980s, I see. The lack of quality then was of a degree that even the Chinese couldn't hope to match.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 18 2015, @03:26AM
During that time, the USA manufacturers were competing with Japanese manufacturers for various components, such as bolts and other fasteners.
The Japanese companies undercut US manufacturers on price. What no one knew (at the time) was that the Japanese parts, adopted by US manufacturers, supposedly built to the "standards", were sub-standard. Thus, US autos began to fall apart, and were perceived to be (and, in fact, WERE) of a lower quality than Japanese products.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 18 2015, @03:04AM
The thing is *currently* most Chinese stuff is crap. Roll back 40 years and you would have said the exact same words about Japan and South Korea. The mexicans basically make all of our textiles now. All of the factories were moved to Mexico over the past 15 years. The *whole* factory. All that is left in SC and NC is miles and miles of empty buildings that used to house huge machines. They moved them to mexico. All 'cheap' manufacturing is now elsewhere. All the farmers outsource the work to under the table paid 'undocumented workers'. All that is left is 'intellectual jobs' which is being given to H1Bs.
At all levels we took our jobs and sold them to the lowest bidder. It is only a matter of time before the lowest bidder actually becomes good at the job. It only takes time to practice your art.
Think about the iPhone. It is pretty much entirely made in China with a few parts made elsewhere. Do you consider that cheap crap? That expertise does not 'go away' if Apple moves somewhere else.
Do not think a union will save the jobs either. I have seen union after union 'win'. Then within 10 years that factor was just straight up closed and moved to mexico/china/india. My friends dad used to work at goodyear. The plant he worked at? Closed and moved then magically reopened in mexico with no union. My neighbor worked at a textile plant here in NC. Closed. Reopened in mexico. His 'management job' moved to india.
In 30 years we will be talking about the quality goods from China/Mexico/India.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 18 2015, @08:48AM
No. In 30 years the factories will move back to the U.S. to save fuel money. All the jobs will be done by machines.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by jcm on Monday May 18 2015, @12:30PM
I agree with you about unions, unions only serve themselves, more than unionists.
But you are wrong about China, and I'll take Japan's example.
In Japan's culture, the companies do not lay off their employees, so people are faithful to their company.
Some people even die for their company: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kar%C5%8Dshi [wikipedia.org]
It is hilarious to discover that Japan's economy has been heavily influenced by W. Edwards Demming http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Edwards_Deming [wikipedia.org] who has been completely ignored by US companies.
China doesn't have a similar culture.
On the contrary, companies always try to find cheaper employees, like prisoners or students.
There is a race to the bottom salaries.
It has been more than 20 years that China took the jobs from US, but I have yet to see any increase of quality.
Chinese are too focused about short-term profits, and this goes against quality.
And please, don't use the example of IPhones.
They have the technology to build them, but do they have the means or desire to improve it ?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 18 2015, @08:44AM
Not like those high-quality American-manufactured Apple devices, right?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 18 2015, @09:14PM
The Chinese produce junk, almost exclusively.
You have that almost right. The Chinese produce. Period.
They produce a lot of junk, but that's because the majority of the market asks for it. They also produce higher quality items when asked to and paid to (such as iPhones). They are merely the factory, and willing to produce whatever to whatever specification the buyer wants. There are numerous places where stronger IP laws, history and tradition, or whatever reason have resulted in high-quality (or low-quality) things are produced as well. But it is as naïve to say that China can only produce junk as it is to say that you can only get things produced in China.