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posted by n1 on Monday May 18 2015, @12:53PM   Printer-friendly
from the 4-da-lulz-and-$$$ dept.

I go back on the 'net to the days of Mosaic, and earlier on Usenet and BBSs. I'm feeling pretty nostalgic, but also saddened. Between the crooks, the government, and fun loving pranksters it seems that there is no corner of the 'net that can be considered truly secure. I now routinely assume that nothing I do is safe.

I remember when the 'net was 90% thoughtful discussion, it was about web pages, pure HTML, and the content that they served up.

Now it seems as if no forum is safe from endless idiotic, threatening, and increasingly offensive trolls and bullies. Many good smart people just refuse to participate. In its early days the whole idea behind the 'net was the free sharing of information. Now you find things behind paywalls, registration pages, or removed after threats from lawyers.

Each week seems to bring another attempt by government or business to regulate the 'net, both what you can put on-line, and what you can look at. Add to that the many geographic blocks and other restrictions that keep out some of the people, some of the time. We rely on multiple layers of flash and java and other technology, each requiring some special software to make it work on your computer. Inevitably stuff breaks.

It was only a decade or so back that the very idea of marketing on the 'net was considered ridiculous. Now we're buried alive with ads, pop-ups, and stupid YouTube ads in front of every video - unless you want to pay them to remove them.

Increasingly using the 'net feels like more of a chore than a pleasure, and I can't see it improving. Is the Internet broken beyond repair?

 
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  • (Score: 2) by unitron on Monday May 18 2015, @01:17PM

    by unitron (70) on Monday May 18 2015, @01:17PM (#184511) Journal

    ...or at least the web, was dancing squirrels or something like that.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by FatPhil on Monday May 18 2015, @02:26PM

    by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Monday May 18 2015, @02:26PM (#184551) Homepage
    I think it was hamsterdance in the 90s which proved to me that the internet was already too far down its downward spiral. It was no longer about propagation of information, it was about any old shit to waste your time.

    I'm happy to isolate myself on a little island with the likeminded and let the "forward" evolution of the internet take place amongst the masses on the mainland. They don't need me, I don't need them.
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    • (Score: 2) by zafiro17 on Monday May 18 2015, @07:02PM

      by zafiro17 (234) on Monday May 18 2015, @07:02PM (#184722) Homepage

      In that case, we're all looking forward to your joining us in gopherspace. I'm serious! It's miniscule, entry is barred by those who know what it is and where to look for it, and can't be accessed using the software found on most consumer computers. We're few, we're elite, and it's basically plain text and downloading files. Very rudimentary, but by design, gopherspace is very highly organized. Start at my site if you need a point of entry: gopher://therandymon.com [therandymon.com] Otherwise have a look at the Floodgap and Overbite projects, and cross over the rubicon. Nice over there, actually.

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      • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Monday May 18 2015, @07:32PM

        by kaszz (4211) on Monday May 18 2015, @07:32PM (#184748) Journal

        Try to report on the finer details on differential equation using gopher..
        HTML has its uses. But it kind of stops being improved at HTML-2 or HTML-4. Then there's DVI, SGML, Math-ML, LaTex, PS etc.

      • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Monday May 18 2015, @10:18PM

        by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Monday May 18 2015, @10:18PM (#184848) Homepage
        One feature on a branch of the IdleRPG bot which SN runs is a gopher server. Alas, while testing it, I was unable to get more than one client at a time to work (from gopher, lynx, w3m, iceweasel, IIRC). I delved into the standard, and the protocol is underspecified and downright ambiguous in places. I couldn't even be sure which client was correct. I noticed there's a new proposed gopher RFC, and then noticed that it added more features, but didn't address the brokenness, and ran away screaming.

        Not knowing which client I should support, I've not merged that branch into the master branch, and certainly not asked the SN IRC admins to pull it. I'm always willing to pick up development on that branch if definitive answers can be found. I think I can probably discount w3m as being the one to support. I was 99% sure it was in the wrong, and "fixed" it, but alas in a way I couldn't rebase on top of more recent debian patches to it, as debian have changed the behaviour to a different non-working behaviour. The fact that all it says about your gopher page is:
        """
        Index of gopher://therandymon.com/1

        [unsupported]'/1' does not exist (no handler found)
        """
        confirms that stock w3m still doesn't seem to know what it's doing (that was the error I was getting from my server too, before I patched the older version of it).
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        • (Score: 2) by zafiro17 on Monday May 18 2015, @10:36PM

          by zafiro17 (234) on Monday May 18 2015, @10:36PM (#184856) Homepage

          W3M is pretty broken. Lynx is pretty much the go-to client, and overbite for Firefox adds it to the browser. I confess it's a limited ecosystem, but it's nice to have alternatives to the WWW for sharing info. My server runs pygopherd, for what it's worth - it's a dead simple install and runs practically straight out of the box.

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          • (Score: 2) by Marand on Tuesday May 19 2015, @12:44AM

            by Marand (1081) on Tuesday May 19 2015, @12:44AM (#184896) Journal

            KDE has a gopher KIOslave (package kio-gopher) that makes gopher:// [gopher] addresses work in konqueror and rekonq, for another option that doesn't rely on a browser addon. Also, apparently Elinks has native gopher support too, but it's disabled by default for some reason. Unless you compile it yourself it just runs lynx.

            I don't have use of it very often, but I like to keep clients with support around for occasional use. I hate how http has gradually subsumed other parts of the internet, absorbing other protocols and tasks to create less-functional http-only "replacements" via web APIs and javascript hacks, so I support any attempt to keep other useful protocols active.

          • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Tuesday May 19 2015, @07:59AM

            by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Tuesday May 19 2015, @07:59AM (#184968) Homepage
            Thanks for that. w3m's toast. The overlaps between the other three clients were much greater, I'll focus my server on supporting those in priority order lynx (so the xterm crowd is covered), firefox (so the GUI crowd is covered), gopher (hell, a gopher server not supporting "gopher" just seems wrong (however, by "server", it's literally only 10 lines of perl (it also serves simple HTML and has the output part abstracted away, the gopher specialisation of the abstraction layer's only 10 lines))).
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      • (Score: 2) by unitron on Tuesday May 19 2015, @03:38PM

        by unitron (70) on Tuesday May 19 2015, @03:38PM (#185090) Journal

        But are those *dancing* gophers?

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  • (Score: 2) by Geezer on Monday May 18 2015, @04:10PM

    by Geezer (511) on Monday May 18 2015, @04:10PM (#184614)

    And lots of free shiny plastic cocktail coasters in the mail. They always had this funny "America Online" stuff on the bottom.

    • (Score: 2) by unitron on Tuesday May 19 2015, @03:32PM

      by unitron (70) on Tuesday May 19 2015, @03:32PM (#185088) Journal

      I liked it better when they sent out free floppies.

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