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After my last SN post the topic of moderation was brought up. Since its been quite awhile since we last openly discussed the state of moderation, I want to give the community a venue to discuss their feelings on it, and if the system needs further refinement. As a reminder, here's a review for how the system is currently setup:
- 5 mod points are handed out to at 00:10 UTC to users with positive karma
- ACs start at +0, users with karma less than 40 post at +1, users above that can post at +2
- You need 10 karma to mark some spam or troll
- Under normal circumstances, the staff do *not* have unlimited mod points, but can (and have) banned abusers of the moderation system
Please also review our SoylentNews Moderation Guidelines.
As always, we are willing to make changes to the system, but please post examples *with* links to any cases of suspected mod abuse. It's a lot easier to justify changing the system when evidence is in black and white. I also recommend that users make serious proposals on changes we can make. I'm not going to color the discussion with my own opinions, but as always, I will respond inline with comments when this goes live, and post a follow up article a few days after this one
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(Score: 2, Disagree) by wantkitteh on Wednesday May 20 2015, @11:22AM
Disagree modding is going to lead to a lot of tension simply because any situation where one person is saying another person is wrong is by it's very nature confrontational. Nothing we can do about that, I prefer using replies myself and think that encouraging debate is probably a better direction to take.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 20 2015, @03:00PM
This is the Internet. I post as an AC. Some of my posts get modded up. Some get modded down. I've had posts that get modded up to five points from zero. I've also had posts that get modded disagree or troll even. Up, down, agree, disagree, troll, I make various arguments to consider. I may also consider and have very many counter arguments to my arguments. But I don't take modding personally. Usually when entering a thread I change the settings to show almost all of the responses because I also find many of the ones with fewer mod points interesting as well. No one should take some posts or mods on the Internet personally. It's the Internet. It's no big deal. The point is that I consider what others think and I express what I think for others to consider. Worrying that someone else will disagree with me will negatively limit the discussion. Not everyone is going to agree with me on everything.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 22 2015, @01:25PM
so you must be a karma whore
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 20 2015, @03:03PM
A "+0 Agree" could be implemented to counteract the negative bias obtained by being able to disagree, but not to agree. Note that this is different from upmoding, since you might agree with a post that you don't consider particularly interesting, informative or insightful.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by DECbot on Wednesday May 20 2015, @04:17PM
An interesting implementation would be to make comment scores a sum of vectors. Let agree/disagree be a value of (m,0) and traditional moderation be a value of (0,n) where m is the magnitude of agrees (negative values denote disagrees) and n is the magnitude of the traditional scoring. Initially I would keep the method of moderating the same, 5 moderation points a day and scoring only one point per person per comment. I would also keep the agree/disagree mods independent from karma. This method allows the community to see not just the comment score (+5 interesting) but also see community reaction (+5 disagree).
Of course the use of agree/disagree might just reinforce the echo chamber.
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(Score: 2) by wantkitteh on Friday May 22 2015, @07:52AM
To whomever modded this "Disagree":
Touché