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posted by n1 on Friday May 22 2015, @05:09AM   Printer-friendly
from the no dept.

Owen Maroney worries that physicists have spent the better part of a century engaging in fraud.

Ever since they invented quantum theory in the early 1900s, explains Maroney, who is himself a physicist at the University of Oxford, UK, they have been talking about how strange it is — how it allows particles and atoms to move in many directions at once, for example, or to spin clockwise and anticlockwise simultaneously. But talk is not proof, says Maroney. “If we tell the public that quantum theory is weird, we better go out and test that's actually true,” he says. “Otherwise we're not doing science, we're just explaining some funny squiggles on a blackboard.”

It is this sentiment that has led Maroney and others to develop a new series of experiments to uncover the nature of the wavefunction — the mysterious entity that lies at the heart of quantum weirdness. On paper, the wavefunction is simply a mathematical object that physicists denote with the Greek letter psi (Ψ) — one of Maroney's funny squiggles — and use to describe a particle's quantum behaviour. Depending on the experiment, the wavefunction allows them to calculate the probability of observing an electron at any particular location, or the chances that its spin is oriented up or down. But the mathematics shed no light on what a wavefunction truly is. Is it a physical thing ? Or just a calculating tool for handling an observer's ignorance about the world ?

http://www.nature.com/news/quantum-physics-what-is-really-real-1.17585

 
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  • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Friday May 22 2015, @10:07PM

    by aristarchus (2645) on Friday May 22 2015, @10:07PM (#186685) Journal

    Seriously, who gives a flying fuck? The point of physics isn't to give us a warm feeling that we know what the universe is,

    According to the FA, apparently Maroney does! I am glad to see you intervene, Boris, you are always spot on, and we do not disagree at all. But the tendency of scientists to engage in ontology without a license is unfortunately very real, perhaps more with popularizers than with actual theorists. And I can't recall how many crackpots I have heard of who keep insisting that all of modern science is a fraud, or that Einstein was wrong, or that string theory is a real thing. Maybe the word I was looking for, in connection to the pure and correct perception of reality, was more "psycho" than "psychic".

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  • (Score: 2) by boristhespider on Friday May 22 2015, @10:33PM

    by boristhespider (4048) on Friday May 22 2015, @10:33PM (#186691)

    I think I disagree with him :)

    Unfortunately, and to be honest, I've known too many people in theory who have started to talk as if the theory is reality. It's understandable - we're working day in and day out with a description of nature that we can't disprove; of course we think that's what nature *is* rather than merely a description of how it *behaves* - but it does genuinely annoy me. Not least as those same people will start a project the next month working on inflationary phenomenology which takes as an assumption some hand-waved consequence of M theory (meaning that the description of reality we agreed on the week before absolutely has to be inaccurate), and argue just as vehemently that quantum esotericism is how nature is as the week before they argued that higher-dimensional fatalism was. I think it's down to loose language on their part, since I'm very definitely not pretending I'm one of the few cosmologists of my generation with a grip on reality, but I do think I might be one of the relatively few to want to avoid such loose language...

    So I think that actual theorists can be as much at fault as anyone (and I've probably been in the past). At least I wouldn't say Einstein was wrong, even though he was about the EPR paradox, and about his attempts at a unified field theory, etc. - the way people mean it is they mean "special relativity is wrong!", which it basically isn't, or "general relativity is wrong!", which it isn't in its realms of validity, etc...

    Personally, I like to view myself as a pragmatist. Ultimately, we *know* that nature acts, at high energies and on small scales, as if QED is reality. On larger scales, we *know* that it acts as if quantum mechanics is reality, and we can pretend that the one implies the other (good luck proving that one, but the theories are at least closely enough related people won't argue). But, alas, we *know* that on larger scales (and in reasonably low gravitational fields) it acts as if general relativity was the reality, and neither QED nor QM agree with that. Shitter. Maybe we'll reconcile these descriptions one way or another and maybe we won't. Personally, I don't have a huge issue if we don't. I know how to describe QM on a curved background (it's nasty, but we can do it, even if it plays merry hell with our definition of a vacuum state), and I know how to do QM on a flat background and gravity with classical fields. And if we do that's ace - we simply have a neater description of how the universe appears to behave, which can hold up until we find too many weird oddities to continue to believe it...

    In the meantime, I'm happy to do my research in GR since no matter what we find, in the regimes I work in, GR is probably not going to be invalidated - except perhaps in the recent or the extremely early universes.