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posted by CoolHand on Friday May 22 2015, @03:24PM   Printer-friendly
from the whats-dat-whatsapp dept.

Chechnya's leader Ramzan Kadyrov has urged men to stop their wives from using WhatsApp after anger over a police chief's forced marriage to a 17-year-old spread on the messaging service:

"Lock them in, do not let them go out, then they will not post anything," Ramzan Kadyrov was quoted as saying. Mr Kadyrov had earlier backed a police chief's marriage to a 17-year-old, even though he was already married, in apparent violation of Russian laws. His chief of staff has since proposed legalising polygamy in Chechnya.

Mr Kadyrov, an authoritarian leader and close ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, has in recent years outlawed the abduction of brides and underage marriage. He is also thought to be in favour of polygamy. His top aide Magomed Daudov said: "It all has to be in keeping with Sharia: But if a man can support more than one wife, then why not?"

Before Saturday's ceremony, local media reported that police chief Nazhud Guchigov, 47, had prevented Kheda Goylabiyeva from leaving her home and threatened her family with reprisals if they did not hand her over.

Mr Kadyrov denounced discussion of the marriage on WhatsApp in comments broadcast on local state-run TV. "Stop. Behave like Chechens," he was reported as saying. "The family honour is the most important thing. Do not write such things. Men, do take your women out of WhatsApp." Last week he took to his Instagram account to criticise Russian media coverage of the marriage as "this fuss ordered by some liberals". "The girl's parents gave their blessing to this marriage," he claimed, arguing that reports to the contrary were filled with lies.

 
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  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by tftp on Friday May 22 2015, @04:58PM

    by tftp (806) on Friday May 22 2015, @04:58PM (#186538) Homepage

    How about : because there are already not enough nubile young women in the world to go round the young men seeking them

    I don't have hard facts [pewsocialtrends.org] to prove it, but I believe that the opposite is true [pewsocialtrends.org]. There aren't enough men. (One of the linked charts shows that in 2012 there was only 91 employed man for every 100 women.) The reason is that nearly every woman wants to marry. This is caused by her need to have a child, and that requires significant financial and other support. However not every man wants to marry. Plenty of men don't mind spending a night with a woman, but that doesn't mean that they are going to sign their name on the dotted line the very next morning. Not every man is even a viable marriage candidate. Well, not every woman either - but even fat, lazy and mean women want a husband; they are in the market.

    I, personally, never met a man who'd be dreaming of marriage. Unmarried men want many things - job, wealth, cars, houses, business - but marriage is somewhere there, on a backburner. At the same time nearly every girl wants to marry their "prince on a white horse." Well, guess what - that isn't happening all that often. Many girls can't marry.

    Historically, polygamy also has ties to the fact that men die in wars. There were wars in Chechnya about 20 years ago. In today's Chechnya young men jump on a train and go to other cities of Russia to earn money. Girls can't do that.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 22 2015, @05:21PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 22 2015, @05:21PM (#186545)

    > The reason is that nearly every woman wants to marry. This is caused by her need to have a child, and that requires significant financial and other support.
    > I, personally, never met a man who'd be dreaming of marriage.

    Another unintentionally revealing post by a misogynist.

    Most men want to have a family. Maybe not those red pillers, but normal men do. Even in backwards cultures where the stereotype is that men aren't involved with their kids the stereotype is also that they do care deeply about having an heir to continue the family name.

    • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 22 2015, @07:37PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 22 2015, @07:37PM (#186620)

      You don't get it. "Those red pillers" as you say, are often men that were married and were treated so badly that their actions are purely reactionary. Nobody blames a Jewish man for not wanting to live in Germany even though there are plenty of good people in Germany. The emotional scars are too deep for reconciliation. In western personal relationships right now women have all the power and men have none. Is it so abnormally wrong to opt out of servitude when the benefits do not exceed the costs?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 22 2015, @10:05PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 22 2015, @10:05PM (#186684)

        Hhhm, comparing a bad marriage to the holocaust.

        You are definitely on to something there. Or at least on something.
        Like a red pill perhaps?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 23 2015, @01:25AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 23 2015, @01:25AM (#186735)

          Instead of ad hominem you could contribute to the conversation. Think and help, or be catty and make things worse. Choose.

          My point is that a negative experience is likely to be avoided in the future. As anyone with a college education is accustomed to, extreme examples that still fit the mold make for better analogies.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 23 2015, @02:14AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 23 2015, @02:14AM (#186748)

            > Instead of ad hominem you could contribute to the conversation.

            Pro-tip - ad hominem is "you are wrong because you are an idiot."
            I am saying "you are an idiot because you are wrong ... so ridiculously out of proportion wrong"

            > As anyone with a college education is accustomed to, extreme examples that still fit the mold make for better analogies.

            Yes, because comparing marriage to the holocaust is totally the same mold.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 22 2015, @07:53PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 22 2015, @07:53PM (#186630)

      >Most men want to have a family. Maybe not those red pillers, but normal men do. Even in backwards cultures where the
      Nope. Men want a cute young girl or a pretty woman.
      That's as far as it goes. Nature dose the rest.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 23 2015, @02:16AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 23 2015, @02:16AM (#186749)

        > Nope. Men want a cute young girl or a pretty woman.
        > That's as far as it goes. Nature dose the rest.

        Speak for your own, developmentally stunted, self.

  • (Score: 0, Troll) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday May 22 2015, @05:27PM

    by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Friday May 22 2015, @05:27PM (#186547) Homepage

    Gettin' bitches is really easy - Don't look like shit and be a little aggressive. One of the biggest complaints from women I date in the U.S. is that too many men are passive and effeminate. These are good-looking women who would date a slob like me and would also date the guy you replied to if he could muster the courage to pull his hands out of his pockets, look the woman in the eye and hold the gaze, not staring at the floor, and not hunching shoulders and recoiling head into them like a frightened turtle. It's simple, if a straight man can't think on the fly then his mind should have been made up in advance and he should stick to his guns.

    Women of all political stripes HATE when you give them reason to think that you're misrepresenting your true beliefs to match theirs. I fucked a fat Hispanic tattooed pierced ultra-liberal cow on the first date and after saying the word 'Beaner' because she was actually flattered that a man would be aggressive enough to want her and ballsy enough to risk provoking her in his honesty. Her typical crowd were fucking hipsters -- fast-talking folks who can yap and yap (note: like I am now, because none of you have a vagina for me to impress) because it's all about them and not sweeping a woman off her feet and making her stinkbox all juicy and musty.

    All this Jew-owned media (including the moderators at OK Cupid) would like to have you believe that women prefer passive White men and that it's only okay for a man to be simultaneously aggressive and attractive when he's black. This cuckolding myth is a Jew-propagated myth to provide forced political correctness and multiculturalism as a smoke-screen to not only weaken the host society, but to distract from what the Jews are up to in that society (which is usually attacking free-speech laws, lobbying for aid to Israel, and otherwise accumulating monies).

    • (Score: 5, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 22 2015, @05:50PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 22 2015, @05:50PM (#186564)

      Ethanol is ever classy.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 22 2015, @07:58PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 22 2015, @07:58PM (#186634)

      >women I date in the U.S. is that too many men are passive and effeminate. These are good-looking women who

      We do not want to go to prison.
      America is a woman's cunt(ry).

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by tibman on Friday May 22 2015, @05:52PM

    by tibman (134) Subscriber Badge on Friday May 22 2015, @05:52PM (#186565)

    I want a child and my wife doesn't. You are painting with a very wide brush.

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    • (Score: 2) by lentilla on Friday May 22 2015, @06:29PM

      by lentilla (1770) on Friday May 22 2015, @06:29PM (#186585)

      I want a child and my wife doesn't.

      Yes... but being married, you're hardly a representative sample of all men? (In the nicest possible way :-) There seems to be an element of "well, I'm married, so now I think some children would be nice". There are a number of factors. Married people often associate with other married people, who quite often end up with children - so you are around babies and children and even that's enough to make a man a little clucky. There's also parents being excited about the possibility of becoming grandparents and even if they don't ask directly, you know they think about it occasionally. Those married friends of yours, now with children, now also have less time to spend with you, and what better way to spend all that extra time that to have a little one of your own? Lastly, there is a certain element of "in for a dime, in for a dollar", so if you wear a wedding band, you might as well maximise your potential and change some nappies.

      The grandparent poster; tftp; despite being currently moderated as "troll"; does make a number of valid points. His thesis

      I, personally, never met a man who'd be dreaming of marriage.

      does have a ring of truth about it. Myself... I have met quite a number of men who have wanted to be married. I'm not so sure he's correct about the marriage part but he'd be spot-on if he was talking about babies. (At least where I live, having children "out of wedlock" is only likely to raise an occasional eyebrow - so "marriage" and "children" don't have to be conflated.)

      So, to put my stamp on it: most men I've met aren't particularly fussed about children but most women are. If "the wife" wants children, the husband usually obliges and most seem quite happy. I do know that older, childless men often have considerable regret that they didn't have any children but likewise, older childless women do to. It would be a very rare man that dreamt about babies but such an experience is common amongst women. That's simply how we're wired and nothing to be ashamed of.

    • (Score: 1) by Noble713 on Saturday May 23 2015, @04:16PM

      by Noble713 (4895) on Saturday May 23 2015, @04:16PM (#186891)

      I want a child and my wife doesn't.

      I'm curious. Were you aware of your spouse's differing opinion on children before you got married?

      If you *did* know, why did you marry this particular female instead of an alternative (equally attractive, interesting, mentally stable) one? Did you not have sexual access to a variety of unique desirable women?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 23 2015, @04:32PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 23 2015, @04:32PM (#186897)

        > Did you not have sexual access to a variety of unique desirable women?

        What kind of freak talks like that?

      • (Score: 2) by tibman on Sunday May 24 2015, @02:03AM

        by tibman (134) Subscriber Badge on Sunday May 24 2015, @02:03AM (#187053)

        When we first started dating i wasn't going to dump her because she wasn't sure if she wanted kids or not. She might still change her mind (i hope so). But i married her because we get along so well (still do). Getting married has nothing to do with sex or a perfect significant other, imo. For me it is about trust and companionship.

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        • (Score: 1) by Noble713 on Sunday May 24 2015, @06:49AM

          by Noble713 (4895) on Sunday May 24 2015, @06:49AM (#187097)

          Getting married has nothing to do with sex or a perfect significant other, imo. For me it is about trust and companionship.

          If you had never had sex, ever, with your wife would you still have married her? I'd agree that there is no "perfect" significant other as all people are flawed. I tend to use the "80%" guideline: settle down with a woman who provides 80% of what you are looking for, where the 20% that's missing aren't deal-breakers.

          I hope you don't feel like I'm grilling or trolling you. My social circle consists entirely of 1) playboys 2) guys who can't even get a girlfriend 3) a small number of married couples who already have kids.

          So I'm genuinely looking for some insight into the decision-making methodology of a male who enters a legally-binding, potentially financially ruinous contract with a female who has a radically different perspective on procreation. Because most of the men I know would absolutely dump her and get another woman (or two). Good companions aren't that hard to find IMO....Loyal ones that you can trust? Slightly more difficult but they aren't unicorns either.

          • (Score: 2) by tibman on Sunday May 24 2015, @07:18PM

            by tibman (134) Subscriber Badge on Sunday May 24 2015, @07:18PM (#187292)

            Marriage isn't potentially financial ruin if you get a prenup and marry someone you trust. All benefits and property under my name (bank accounts, cars, houses, stocks, VA, and items purchased from personal accounts) are still mine after a divorce. Same for her. Property under both names is split 50/50 with the option of one person buying out the other (if both agree).

            As far as sex goes some people wait until after marriage to have sex. We didn't. We dated for years before getting married. We are both still young and even if we both wanted kids we wouldn't have them just yet. They are certainly on my mind though. She doesn't dislike kids. She doesn't want to birth the things, lol. Worst case, we'll adopt.

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  • (Score: 4, Informative) by Grishnakh on Friday May 22 2015, @06:03PM

    by Grishnakh (2831) on Friday May 22 2015, @06:03PM (#186574)

    The reason is that nearly every woman wants to marry. This is caused by her need to have a child, and that requires significant financial and other support. However not every man wants to marry.

    This is a bunch of sexist, misogynist crap. There's tons of women who don't want to marry, or are just so un-marryable that they can't find a husband throughout their fertile years. Just go on OKCupid in a major city (preferable a liberal one) and look at all the women around 40 years old who have never been married in their lives, and are just now saying they want to have kids. Of course, there's lots of men like this too, but it's worse for women since they have a built-in time limit for fertility, unlike men, and it's pretty short. There's also plenty of women who don't want to have kids at all and never did (again, you can find plenty in the big cities on OKC); these women just aren't very maternal. And on top of that, there's tons of women who DO have kids (mainly because society and relatives push them to), and then they're lousy mothers because again they're not very maternal or nurturing. The really horrible ones end up in the news for sticking their kids in a car and pushing it into a pond, but there's countless more who are just lousy parents without murdering their kids.

    Well, not every woman either - but even fat, lazy and mean women want a husband; they are in the market.

    No, actually, they don't. First off, there's a bunch of women who are lesbians, so they don't want a man at all. Then there's a bunch of women who would simply rather be alone. Some of those hook up with men out of financial necessity, but not all do. They used to have a word for these women 100+ years ago: "spinsters". These women don't need a man either, either because they're independently wealthy (heiresses for instance) or are able to earn a sufficient living on their own. These days, that's pretty easy if a women has an education; marriages out of financial necessity (on the woman's side) are becoming less and less common as women rise in the workforce. These days, there's tons of youngish women working to support their loser boyfriends who just sit on the couch and play Xbox all day or hang out at a tattoo shop.

    At the same time nearly every girl wants to marry their "prince on a white horse."

    Sexist stereotypical bullshit.

    The point of all this is, just like there's all kinds of different men, there's all kinds of different women. Yes, a lot of women in our American society these days are spoiled brats who dream of being a Disney princess and having Prince Charming, but that does not mean that all, or even the vast majority, are like this. And the idea that all women want a kid is patently ridiculous. Lots of women have no desire to have kids, just like lots of men have no such desire.

  • (Score: 2) by Nuke on Friday May 22 2015, @07:11PM

    by Nuke (3162) on Friday May 22 2015, @07:11PM (#186602)
    tftp wrote :- "The reason is that nearly every woman wants to marry. This is caused by her need to have a child,. .... only 91 employed man for every 100 women

    I don't know what country, culture or even what century you are living in, but you need to stop reading "Pride & Prejudice" - because the world it and you described was 200 years ago in a certain high level of society. The girls desparate to marry in Pride & Prejudice (and many classical novels) are in the particular situation of wanting to (or their mother wanting them to) marry a rich guy, not any guy, and rich guys who were not just interested in drinking, gambling and whoring were hard to find in those days.

    You give figures about the sex ratio - which are figures for employed men against all women. As if unemployment stops a guy from flirting. I specifically said nubile young women - ie ones who are both fit and ready for partnership. What I see in the UK is this :-

    1) Many young women at about the age of 20 have an illegitimate baby by a guy who then clears off. At this point the girls mostly withdraw from the dating/marriage scene out of necessity (they cannot afford baby-sitters). They live on Social Security. They are no longer nubile. OTOH, the father is back in the dating scene the very next day, worsening the sex ratio.

    2) Many young women prefer to live alone but nevertheless seeing a boyfriend just once or twice a week for the sexual satisfaction and so they can say (to parents, friends) that they do have a boyfriend. This phase of their lives might only last a few years. They cannot stand the idea of actually living with the guy because he is untidy/uncouth/silly/spendthrift/etc. These girls have got their flat or little house just how they like it for themselves.

    3) Many young women turn their back on men completely - more or less from the start, but the Group 2 above can also join into this group by the age of 30. They are not necessarily lesbians; fact is women do not generally have such a strong sex drive as men and most can do without sex quite easily. This group tends to includes career girls and unattractive girls (though obviously not all of them).

    4) Women have a harem instinct. Many women are more strongly attracted to men who already have women. I know of men living with two or three women, and others with several girlfriends, all aware of each other (the man brags about it), believing they can oust the others one day.

    As someone else said here, the difference today from even a generation ago, is that women earn as much as men; they can afford their own housing. They are no longer forced either to marry or to live with their parents for the rest of their lives.
    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 22 2015, @08:01PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 22 2015, @08:01PM (#186639)

      Women are cunts.
      Why would anyone want this shit you describe.
      Also they get fat right quick.

      Marry young girl children, like men did in the past.