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posted by CoolHand on Tuesday May 26 2015, @06:14AM   Printer-friendly
from the erosion-of-rights dept.

The Guardian reports that Britain's most senior Muslim policeman, Mak Chisty, has warned "Islamist propaganda is so potent it is influencing children as young as five and should be countered with intensified monitoring to detect the earliest signs of anti-western sentiment". He gives several examples of indoctrination being forced upon children as young as five (Christmas being "haram" [an act forbidden by Islam]) and teenagers being groomed to join ISIS.

Chishty said friends and family of youngsters should be intervening much earlier, watching out for subtle, unexplained changes, which could also include sudden negative attitudes towards alcohol, social occasions and western clothing. They should challenge and understand what caused such changes in behaviour, the police commander said, and seek help, if needs be from the police, if they are worried.

[...] Chishty said communities in Britain had to act much earlier. He said: "We need to now be less precious about the private space. This is not about us invading private thoughts, but acknowledging that it is in these private spaces where this [extremism] first germinates. The purpose of private-space intervention is to engage, explore, explain, educate or eradicate. Hate and extremism is not acceptable in our society, and if people cannot be educated, then hate and harmful extremism must be eradicated through all lawful means." [...] Asked to define "private space", Chishty said: "It's anything from walking down the road, looking at a mobile, to someone in a bedroom surfing the net, to someone in a shisha cafe talking about things."

[...] He said friends and family were best placed to intervene. Questions should be asked, he said, if someone stops shopping at Marks & Spencer [a shop perceived to be Jewish owned] or starts voicing criticism. He said it could be they were just fed up with the store, but alternatively they could have "hatred for that store". He said the community should "look out for each other", that ISIS was "un-Islamic", as proven by its barbarity.

turgid notes:

As an atheist who enthusiastically celebrates Christmas, eats chocolate eggs at Easter and carves turnips or pumpkins at Halloween, I find it very strange that people of many religions often artificially exclude themselves from harmless and enjoyable local traditional customs. I find it very sad that we have young people brought up in a strictly-controlled environment cut off from the ideas and views of the rest of the world. I also find it abhorrent that the Establishment now finds itself publicly calling for the complete abandonment one of the core values of individual liberty.

Maybe the rest of us shouldn't worry because we're not Muslim? Where have I heard this before?

Meanwhile, our government is attempting to tear up the Human Rights Act. It's easier to control when the proles have no rights.


[Editor's Comment: Original Submission. Significant edits to this submission have been made - acknowledgement of the submitter has been changed to reflect this. janrinok]

 
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  • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Tuesday May 26 2015, @08:47AM

    by aristarchus (2645) on Tuesday May 26 2015, @08:47AM (#187927) Journal

    "turgid's Fallacy", hmmm, I like the ring of that! Just sounds good. "Hey, you just committed turgid's fallacy!" It would be so sweet to be able to say that, and even more sweet if anyone had the slightest idea what you are talking about. Could someone please give textbook style definition?

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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Kell on Tuesday May 26 2015, @11:51AM

    by Kell (292) on Tuesday May 26 2015, @11:51AM (#187972)

    I'll take a shot:

    Turgid's Fallacy - n. "The belief or position that partaking in the trappings of a religion-derived holiday implicitly asserts adherence to that religion, approval of its politics, or the actions of its most extreme advocates. For example 'If you give gifts at Christmas, then it means you support the oppression of indigenous minorities by European colonial powers!' is an instance of Turgid's Fallacy".

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    • (Score: 2) by Kell on Thursday May 28 2015, @01:22AM

      by Kell (292) on Thursday May 28 2015, @01:22AM (#188896)

      Thinking again, Turgid's Fallacy might be more generally expressed as "The mistaken notion that any agreement with someone about something implies any agreement with them about other things."

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