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posted by martyb on Friday May 29 2015, @11:16PM   Printer-friendly
from the bias-removal-or-indoctrination? dept.

When the desired behavior is performed, a sound is played. When the test subjects reach deep sleep, that same sound is played repeatedly. Subjects were then more likely to perform the desired behavior.

The article, "Unlearning implicit social biases during sleep" appears in the journal Science; an abstract and full report are available.


[Original Submission - Ed.]

 
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  • (Score: 2) by Anal Pumpernickel on Saturday May 30 2015, @05:28AM

    by Anal Pumpernickel (776) on Saturday May 30 2015, @05:28AM (#189992)

    If a truly predatory peadophile could be treated such that those impulses or desires were eliminated... maybe that at least is not truly evil.

    It is if you do it against their will. I don't think you should try to modify their bodies or minds through brainwashing or surgery. And I'd just use "rapist" rather than "pedophile" in this context, since that is what is meant.

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  • (Score: 2) by vux984 on Saturday May 30 2015, @08:53AM

    by vux984 (5045) on Saturday May 30 2015, @08:53AM (#190033)

    It is [truly evil] if you do it against their will

    Relative to life imprisonment or the death penalty?

    And I'd just use "rapist" rather than "pedophile" in this context, since that is what is meant.

    I actually went with pedophile on purpose... because they can be 'innocent' in a perverse way. In cases they've just developed an attraction or fetish that is profoundly unhealthy. They don't necessarily even want to hurt their victims; its just an inevitable result of their attention.

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by FatPhil on Saturday May 30 2015, @09:27AM

      by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Saturday May 30 2015, @09:27AM (#190041) Homepage
      I was just about to thank you for being brave enough to state the politically incorrect view that maybe it's not true that paedophiles are the worst evil satan has ever created, as they are possibly the most demonised group of people who don't fit in with our modern societal norms.

      Then I realised you did the rather unnecessary anti-Sarkeesian snark earlier, which stood out out rather as being a little unnecessary. (Maybe it was for comic effect though.)

      Never having heard of her, or *anyone* involved, when the GamerGate fuss came to the front pages earlier this year, before commenting I decided to go off and do a little research, download the videos and the articles from the various antagonists, and see what they had to say, and how they said it. Of everyone involved, and this is my own personal opinion, and I'm entitled to it, Sarkeesian came over as the least wrong, and the one prepared to put the most effort into backing up her arguments. Many of her antagonists weren't even able to spell her name (missing 2nd 'e' - thank you for getting that right), and a bunch actually came over as downright stupid, in harsh contrast to Anita's erudite presentation.

      Despite rumours to the contrary, Soylent News is not an echo chamber, which is good.
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      • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Saturday May 30 2015, @09:54AM

        by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Saturday May 30 2015, @09:54AM (#190047) Homepage
        And just for reference - I was actually biassed against her before reading/watching any of her stuff simply because of the name of the website. (Which makes me shallow, I know.)
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      • (Score: 2) by vux984 on Saturday May 30 2015, @08:17PM

        by vux984 (5045) on Saturday May 30 2015, @08:17PM (#190205)

        Then I realised you did the rather unnecessary anti-Sarkeesian snark earlier, which stood out out rather as being a little unnecessary. (Maybe it was for comic effect though.)

        It was.

        Of everyone involved, and this is my own personal opinion, and I'm entitled to it, Sarkeesian came over as the least wrong

        I actually agree. The anti-sjw movement is as over the top bonkers as they come. But at the time of the fuss, I couldn't figure out why the big fuss was even about her; the professional misconduct was by the 'journalist' for conflict of interest; and i said as much on /. at the time. But that's not say I actually agree with Sarkeesian either; I think the cause she's championing has some merit; but not to the degree that she does; and I think she has little real credibility due to her own role in the scandal; and her continued presence does more to undermine her cause than forward it in my opinion.

        I was just about to thank you for being brave enough to state the politically incorrect view that maybe it's not true that paedophiles are the worst evil satan has ever created

        Heh... that post had enough politically incorrect views in it to last me the rest of the year. :) But I'll stand behind that one.

    • (Score: 2) by Anal Pumpernickel on Saturday May 30 2015, @09:27AM

      by Anal Pumpernickel (776) on Saturday May 30 2015, @09:27AM (#190042)

      Relative to life imprisonment or the death penalty?

      The death penalty is intolerable. And you didn't quote the whole thing, which was: "It is if you do it against their will. I don't think you should try to modify their bodies or minds through brainwashing or surgery." Permanently altering people's bodies or brainwashing them against their will is horrid, and yes, worse than life imprisonment since they would ask for your 'solution' otherwise.

      I actually went with pedophile on purpose... because they can be 'innocent' in a perverse way. In cases they've just developed an attraction or fetish that is profoundly unhealthy. They don't necessarily even want to hurt their victims; its just an inevitable result of their attention.

      I wouldn't say an attraction is automatically unhealthy. And again, if there are actual victims, then you need to use something different from "pedophile", which just means that someone has a sexual attraction to prepubescent children. Speaking in ways that seem as if you're saying pedophiles are necessarily rapists and molesters just causes confusion.

      • (Score: 2) by vux984 on Saturday May 30 2015, @07:56PM

        by vux984 (5045) on Saturday May 30 2015, @07:56PM (#190201)

        The death penalty is intolerable. And you didn't quote the whole thing, which was: "It is if you do it against their will. I don't think you should try to modify their bodies or minds through brainwashing or surgery."

        The death penalty and life imprisonment are obviously against the persons will as well. Is reprogramming more or less horrid. (I can see an argument either way. Perhaps the convict could choose.)

        And again, if there are actual victims, then you need to use something different from "pedophile", which just means that someone has a sexual attraction to prepubescent children. Speaking in ways that seem as if you're saying pedophiles are necessarily rapists and molesters just causes confusion.

        I agree with you. I originally wrote 'predatory pedophile' to make that differentiation.

        • (Score: 2) by Anal Pumpernickel on Sunday May 31 2015, @03:34AM

          by Anal Pumpernickel (776) on Sunday May 31 2015, @03:34AM (#190301)

          The death penalty and life imprisonment are obviously against the persons will as well.

          But which do they think is worse? If they volunteer for the fake brainwashing, then that is one thing. The second sentence explains the real difference. Prison doesn't permanently modify your body or brainwash you.

          I'm opposed to the death penalty completely because I don't think the government should have the power to murder people who have been captured, and there is a high chance for mistakes, which prevents the person from ever being freed again.

          I agree with you. I originally wrote 'predatory pedophile' to make that differentiation.

          I saw the predatory part, but in that case, I still feel something else would have been superior. And because not all child molesters are necessarily pedophiles (some do it for power).

  • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Saturday May 30 2015, @09:09AM

    by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Saturday May 30 2015, @09:09AM (#190039) Homepage
    There was a case a couple of decades ago in the UK of a guilt-wracked paedophile who *asked* the court to chemically castrate him, as after medical consultations and investigating the literature, he was sure it would abate his urges, which he knew were wrong. The court refused, and threw him in clink instead - prefering to punish than cure. I wouldn't expect any more sane decisions if this new technique became available.

    However, as this is a psych paper, it's probably bunkum anyway! (CI narrow, p<0.05)
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