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The hype around Swift is near non-existent by Apple standards, yet the language has attracted high praise since its release last year. Swift is essentially one of the very few Apple products representing a clear departure from the hardware-led approach Steve Jobs took to the business. If Stack Overflow's 2015 dev survey is anything to go by, it looks as if the Swift language might have potential to really shake things up.
Might the days of Apple programmers relying upon objective C be numbered?
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(Score: 1, Flamebait) by c0lo on Monday June 15 2015, @06:01AM
Really? Doesn't it serve for Apple the same purpose as the old VB did for MS?
I mean... "make available the Godness of our API to masses. Because, you know... developers, developers, developers... memory management and whatnot is too hard for the wannabe programmer" (I still remember the days before the dotcom bust, everybody and their dog would got hired with "I know VB" on their CV - 'cause, you know, before ASPX and other dontNet goodnesses MS came afterwards, the VB was the "language of Web as decreed by Microsoft").
Yeah, sure, maybe it's more evolved than VB, but in the end... it only runs on Apple - very much like VB used to run only on MS. Yet another point they somehow resemble, don't yea think?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 5, Informative) by BasilBrush on Monday June 15 2015, @07:22AM
Really? Doesn't it serve for Apple the same purpose as the old VB did for MS?
No. This isn't an easy to use option for casual use. This is a replacement of the professional languages both for apps and systems programming.
it only runs on Apple
Wrong. Linux and open source is part of the v2.0 release.
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(Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday June 15 2015, @08:58AM
It may seem pedantic, but I detect a slightly misleading use of tense time. The as precise as possible way to put it is:
On the other side, what should I be so enthused by Swift on Linux? For some +Informative mods, what does the language brings new/useful to Linux? (why should I believe is something else than an expression of Not-Invented-Here-Syndrome coming from Apple?)
Does it have some standard libraries besides OSX/Cocoa to make it useful? Multi-threading, async/futures... something?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by BasilBrush on Monday June 15 2015, @03:26PM
You shouldn't be excited at all. You hate Apple and thus won't be using it. Some of the more open minded language experimenters will though.
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(Score: 4, Insightful) by c0lo on Monday June 15 2015, @11:00AM
Groan... Really? [wikipedia.org]
Because... you know?... there's never going to be a relation between siblings, it will always be an asymmetrical parent-child-like relationship.
Yes, circular lists or bidi-graphs with cycles are evil constructs one is never going to need in practice.
Those foolish younsters with disdain for ancient wisdom [catb.org] are in for surprises:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 3, Touché) by BasilBrush on Monday June 15 2015, @03:23PM
Really.
Because... you know?... there's never going to be a relation between siblings, it will always be an asymmetrical parent-child-like relationship.
Yes, circular lists or bidi-graphs with cycles are evil constructs one is never going to need in practice.
Just because it is possible to write software that has circular references, doesn't mean that properly written software ever has them. Put the correct attributes on properties and there is no problem I've been programming with ARC for years and literally never had a bug of that nature.
ARC is NOT a garbage collector. That's your first mistake.
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(Score: 2) by kaszz on Tuesday June 16 2015, @06:27PM
"to allow for easier" alright, then only idiots will use it .. ;-)
It sounds more and more like Swift might be useful to learn if creating apps for iPhone is your task. Otherwise it's just another NIH thing waiting to be scrapped.