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posted by cmn32480 on Thursday June 18 2015, @11:15PM   Printer-friendly
from the from-his-lips-to-gods-ears dept.

Despite the santorum splattered about, the Pontiff of the Church Universal and Triumphant [EDIT: This is actually referring to the Roman Catholic Church, not the Church Universal and Triumphant] is going to agree with the climate change consensus in an encyclical to be released on Thursday. Early leaks give some idea of the content.

Pope Francis is preparing to declare humans as primarily responsible for climate change, call for fossil fuels to be replaced by renewable energy and decry the culture of consumerism, a leaked draft of his much anticipated statement on the environment suggests.

The source for this somehow concerns Australians, but we will take any indication of infallibility where we can get it.

So the humble submitter has to wonder, does this mean that climate-change deniers are now to be considered heretics, rather than just Petro shills or anti-environmental conservative conspiracy theorists? It does add a entirely new dimension to the debate, and I hope that God will forgive your Conservative asses for screwing up Her creation in the quest for profit.

UPDATE - janrinok 18 Jun 12:36UTC

is it possible to update/append aristarchus' post "Pope Affirms Anthropogenic Global Warming" (https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/06/17/0317256), as follows:

Update: The encyclical can be read and downloaded here.

I am not affiliated with the submitter, aristarchus, or the pope. I have a slightly paranoid reason for asking for this update; it is my experience that, whenever politically important documents are published, the actual document often gets overshadowed by an enormous load of blog commentary, providing a bit of "damage control" and "spin". It is my fervent opinion that the readership of Soylentnews deserves to read the actual source documents. (It's only 82 pages long, in this case, anyway).


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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by stormwyrm on Thursday June 18 2015, @01:33AM

    by stormwyrm (717) on Thursday June 18 2015, @01:33AM (#197635) Journal

    It seems though that the Church has learned its lesson about mixing science and religious doctrine from the Galileo affair, most clearly in recent Popes' declarations about the matter. Even then, do remember that while the Church back in his day did give Galileo a hard time, they never actually excommunicated him. They excommunicated Giordano Bruno though, not so much for his scientific beliefs, but more for denying core Catholic doctrines like the Trinity and transubstantiation. The excommunications in recent days have mostly been over matters of doctrine (including abortion-related ones) and over the authority of the Church (there have been a number of these, mostly involving traditionalist Catholic groups and organisations like the Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association who do things like consecrate bishops without papal approval).

    It is extremely doubtful that the Francis will make some sort of pronouncement invoking papal infallibility on the matter of AGW. Official invocations of infallibility are very rare: in fact, it's been invoked only once since its solemn definition by the First Vatican Council, by Pope Pius XII on the doctrine of the Assumption of Mary in 1950.

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  • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday June 18 2015, @02:17AM

    by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Thursday June 18 2015, @02:17AM (#197645)

    I'm not sure how relevant it is to the conversation, but Nicolaus Copernicus was a monk.
    I don't think the church had any problem with his work.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 19 2015, @08:45AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 19 2015, @08:45AM (#198164)

      Galileo was friends with the Pope. After discussing his ideas with the Pope, he wrote a book that included a character using the Pope's arguments with the name of Simplicio (simpleton or idiot). It was just feuding.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 21 2015, @03:03AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 21 2015, @03:03AM (#198911)
    As expected Laudato si' does not contain any ex cathedra pronouncement. It is in the form of an encyclical, not an apostolic constitution (which all instances of the exercise of papal infallibility have been so far), and doesn't seem to contain anywhere anything like this basic formula: "By the authority of Our Lord Jesus Christ and of the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul, and by Our own authority, We declare, pronounce and define the doctrine...to be revealed by God and as such to be firmly and immutably held by all the faithful" explicitly declaring what is being infallibly pronounced ex cathedra (the statements in ellipsis are only portion of such a document that is to be held infallible). Such phrasing was used in the constitutions Munificentissiumus Deus and Ineffabilis Deus to dogmatically define the Assumption and Immaculate Conception respectively.