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"At some point as a country, we have to reckon with what happens. It's not enough to express sympathy. You don't see this kind of murder, on this scale, with this kind of frequency in other advanced countries on earth." - President Obama.
Discuss.
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You are a fluke of the universe; you have no right to be here.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by BK on Saturday June 20 2015, @11:45PM
The killer is going to be tried by a jury and put to death to the cheers of almost everyone. What's to discuss?
Never let a tragedy or a crisis go to waste. -- some politician
Oh.
I hear that the killer wore sneakers. And drove a car. And used both to get away, or to try to. Let's ban those!
I think we should follow the Chinese model and regulate the possession of almost everything and use the power of the state to regulate communication and thought that government might not like.
Discuss.
...but you HAVE heard of me.
(Score: 3, Funny) by kaszz on Saturday June 20 2015, @11:52PM
The sneakers is definitely the cause behind this! They must be outlawed. Let's author the bill "Better boots for America". No boot may be bought unless manufactured by Nike slaves^H^HAmerican brand. The bill also include authorization for the police to raid the house of anyone seen with non approved boots.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 21 2015, @12:27AM
But wait... Fact: He was using Windows on his PC. Fact: No Linux user has ever done this. That must be the reason, ban Windows so it won't happen again.
(Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Sunday June 21 2015, @12:34AM
How will any useful application work if you banned Windows, though? Ban Windows and you might as well be punching your programs in cards with your teeth just like the college days.
(Score: 1) by redneckmother on Sunday June 21 2015, @03:21AM
Well, I, for one, preferred punching programs in cards to using Windows...
Mas cerveza por favor.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Sunday June 21 2015, @04:25AM
Yeah... good times... I reckon many a soylenter are nostalgic about college days... at least those of us who can still remember them.
(grin)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by turgid on Sunday June 21 2015, @11:23AM
Hans Reiser [wikipedia.org]
I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent [wikipedia.org].
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 21 2015, @07:05PM
What nonsense! If only everyone else also had sneakers as well, then they would have been able to defend themselves!
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday June 21 2015, @01:03AM
Damn, you're right! I never thought of that! Almost all burglars wear sneakers. Knock out game players wear sneakers. Car-jackers wear sneakers. Do rapists even take their sneakers off? Hell - I've not seen a photograph of a mass shooter wearing boots, or leather shoes. Sneakers. Even rappers wear sneakers.
You've nailed it. Sneakers are responsible for the moral decay of American society!
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Sunday June 21 2015, @02:21AM
WAIT!!! He was breathing!?!?!
Damn... every killer i've ever heard of was a breather. I heard Adolf Hitler breathed lots of air: TONS of it even.....
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 1) by redneckmother on Sunday June 21 2015, @03:16AM
Yeah, but a MOUTH breather... get your stuph straight!
BTW: Nice Godwin!
Mas cerveza por favor.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 22 2015, @09:39PM
This just in...Government issues law that all sneakers must have squeakers installed for tracking. Anyone seen barefoot or without squeakers will be highly scrutinized by the CIA and IRS for any misdeeds. This law was created to protect the children.....THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 21 2015, @01:43AM
The killer is going to be tried by a jury and put to death to the cheers of almost everyone.
Except to people who don't support unlimited government, which is one thing you have to accept before you can support the death penalty.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Sunday June 21 2015, @02:28AM
Nonsense. Small communities can support and enforce the death penalty. It has happened often enough in history. Individual human beings are capable of enforcing the death penalty, small groups and small communities - it happened long before "big government" was created. Or, "unlimited government", as you say.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 21 2015, @02:40AM
Nonsense. Small communities can support and enforce the death penalty.
Not without unlimited government. A government that can murder captured people is one with too much power.
Unlimited government can be local.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday June 21 2015, @04:50AM
Not without unlimited government.
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Unlimited government can be local.
No it can't. For "local" is a constraint. And by definition, unlimited government doesn't have any constraints.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 21 2015, @01:05PM
No it can't. For "local" is a constraint.
Why not just say that no government is technically unlimited, then? Big, unlimited... whatever you want to call it.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday June 21 2015, @08:25PM
Why not just say that no government is technically unlimited, then?
Because it's not true? Just because a government can kill people under certain legal situations doesn't mean that it can arbitrarily kill people. For example, is a government "technically unlimited" because its law enforcement can kill in self-defense?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 22 2015, @01:34AM
Because it's not true? Just because a government can kill people under certain legal situations doesn't mean that it can arbitrarily kill people.
Defending yourself or others from imminent (not hypothetical) physical harm is the only situation I can see where killing is acceptable. Deciding that someone should die after they've already been captured is an example of big government, if you prefer that term.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday June 22 2015, @02:09AM
Deciding that someone should die after they've already been captured is an example of big government, if you prefer that term.
That term is inappropriate too, because small governments can exercise that sort of power too. And it still depends on what sort of constraints legal and otherwise exist on the government officials.
(Score: 2) by BK on Sunday June 21 2015, @06:54PM
I did say _almost everyone.
I think "differently limited" would be a fairer description. The government of South Carolina in this case is limited... Though not in the particular way you want. There are laws it cannot pass and huge areas of policy that they cannot make. Examples include immigration and foreign policy...
...but you HAVE heard of me.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 21 2015, @09:27PM
I think a better argument would be that a government must own the individuals' bodies, taking their self-sovereignty, before they can institute a death penalty. A government which literally owns people would also be a government that condones slavery. Self-sovereignty is one of the few fundamental rights that should have no limits and few if any exceptions - one should not lose ownership of their own body, not because they got pregnant, not because they committed a crime, never. This means suicide is a fundamental right as well; the only possible exception would be if one is literally incapable of tending to themselves, eg, comatose / vegetative state or extreme delirium.
(Score: 2) by Bot on Sunday June 21 2015, @11:17AM
Errrr... a politician, who obviously had probability of 9/n. of attendees to get shot, got shot. The assassin's identity was not known yet the act had already been classified as a racist shooting. How naive not to consider other possibilities, even if the racist one is the right one.
Mafia style warnings done as mass kilings happened at least once here in Italy. To your credit, only few news sources discussed the obvious signs that linked the killer to the ndrangheta families, while all the rest came up with the same pointless discussion about gun control. I am all for global disarm but people wielding the most powerful weapon, $, that discuss gun control are hilarious.
Account abandoned.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 21 2015, @09:20PM
False analogy, for many reasons. Neither the sneakers nor the car were used as tools to murder, and unlike guns they have other uses besides just murder.