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posted by takyon on Saturday June 20 2015, @11:30PM   Printer-friendly

"At some point as a country, we have to reckon with what happens. It's not enough to express sympathy. You don't see this kind of murder, on this scale, with this kind of frequency in other advanced countries on earth." - President Obama.

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by mendax on Sunday June 21 2015, @12:20AM

    by mendax (2840) on Sunday June 21 2015, @12:20AM (#198841)

    Hell yeah! Well, maybe not necessarily take them all away, but in what he said a couple days ago makes a great deal of sense. No other developed country, including Canada, has anywhere near the level of gun violence we have. There has to be a reason for this, and there is. I need not say what that is. The non-Americans reading this know the answer, and the Americans who read this have to be either blind or completely deluded to not see it.

    --
    It's really quite a simple choice: Life, Death, or Los Angeles.
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  • (Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 21 2015, @12:29AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 21 2015, @12:29AM (#198847)

    > I need not say what that is.

    Yeah, that's a great way to make a positive contribution to the discussion.
    Don't say it so you won't have to defend it, just smugly assert it and feel good about yourself.

  • (Score: 2) by Techwolf on Sunday June 21 2015, @12:32AM

    by Techwolf (87) on Sunday June 21 2015, @12:32AM (#198848)

    So, what is the reason?

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 21 2015, @12:33AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 21 2015, @12:33AM (#198850)

    Too many bullets.

  • (Score: 2) by schad on Sunday June 21 2015, @01:44AM

    by schad (2398) on Sunday June 21 2015, @01:44AM (#198888)

    For all the joking about Canada being the 51st state, we are, in actuality, completely separate countries, with our own particular histories and challenges. For instance, Canada never fought a bloody civil war that ended with the abolition of all slavery. As this particular case was quite clearly motivated by race-related tensions that are largely unique to the US among developed countries, I'm not sure how much Canada has to teach us on this matter.

    We're still talking about that guy who shot up the black church in SC, right? Or have we all decided to use that tragedy to advance our own political agendas, however unrelated they might be?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 21 2015, @04:13AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 21 2015, @04:13AM (#198932)

      Lamestream Media is attempting to redirect attention by trying to convince folks that this was about religion rather than about a white supremacist and his connections.

      The ages of the victims should be the first indicator (even if you didn't know further) that these people were leaders in that community and that the murderer's intent was to dismantle the guidance structure that the elders provided.

      It makes me think of the amorphous nature of the Occupy movement where it wasn't possible to behead the enterprise by threatening|assaulting|arresting a tiny number of charismatic individuals.
      With Occupy, the bully-boy cops actually had to remove -everyone- from the assembly areas to break up the action.

      -- gewg_

  • (Score: 2) by GungnirSniper on Sunday June 21 2015, @06:01AM

    by GungnirSniper (1671) on Sunday June 21 2015, @06:01AM (#198961) Journal

    If you exclude dangerous minorities from the statistics, America's gun crime rate is on par with other first world nations.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 21 2015, @07:18AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 21 2015, @07:18AM (#198981)

      Can we have a "Citation Needed" mod option, plz ?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 21 2015, @04:47PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 21 2015, @04:47PM (#199120)

        Does it matter? European crime statistics conveniently leave out eastern Europe entirely and everyone except the United States leaves out suicides and accidents when discussing gun violence. When the two compared, it is actually all gun deaths in the US versus only actual gun crimes in countries that are highly ordered in western Europe. This is common knowledge but is constantly overlooked, just like the alcohol issue killing 3-12 times as many people as guns do yet is applauded as a valuable cultural heritage.

    • (Score: 2, Flamebait) by mendax on Sunday June 21 2015, @09:22AM

      by mendax (2840) on Sunday June 21 2015, @09:22AM (#199004)

      dangerous minorities

      Oh yes! Lincoln should have deported all those uppity niggers back to Africa. Oh, and we should build a a huge moat along the southern border to keep all those criminal spics and wetbacks out stealing our jobs. Oh, wait, that's all those curry-eating bastards from India.

      I hope others can see the sarcasm dripping from this post before I get horribly flamed.

      --
      It's really quite a simple choice: Life, Death, or Los Angeles.
    • (Score: 2) by jmorris on Sunday June 21 2015, @10:35AM

      by jmorris (4844) on Sunday June 21 2015, @10:35AM (#199015)

      Simpler. America's violent crime rate isn't that bad, period. And if you look at the Red areas, ya know where most of the actual guns are, crime is very low and dropping. Crime is a problem in the Blue Hellholes where Democrats misrule and generally make firearm ownership most difficult and policing erratic and ineffective. More guns, less crime; it really is that simple. Robert Heinlein's "An armed society is a polite society." has now been subjected to about as good of a real life experimental trial as happens in the social sciences and the results are indisputable. But we can't talk about that because it would ruin the Narrative.

      And Obama, along with pretty much every other Democrat politician and media outlet, is simply lying about 'no other advanced country' having problems of this sort. They do it every time there is one of these incidents occurs so we have had this conversation too many times. Google is your friend but if you aren't a Democrat (and thus on the left hand of the Bell Curve) you probably remember enough from the news to know it is BS.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 21 2015, @08:28PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 21 2015, @08:28PM (#199190)

        And if you look at the Red areas, ya know where most of the actual guns are, crime is very low and dropping. Crime is a problem in the Blue Hellholes where Democrats misrule and generally make firearm ownership most difficult and policing erratic and ineffective.

        [Citation Needed]

        Stop watching Fox News so much. The facts show the opposite [addictinginfo.org] of the biased bullshit you're trying to pass off as truth.

    • (Score: 2) by dry on Sunday June 21 2015, @06:39PM

      by dry (223) on Sunday June 21 2015, @06:39PM (#199154) Journal

      What about if you exclude dangerous minorities in the other first world countries? Where I am, the gun crime is mostly gangs consisting of first generation immigrants from various countries such as India, various African countries, Eastern European countries and so on.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 21 2015, @04:11PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 21 2015, @04:11PM (#199105)

    And see what a difference a law abiding gun owner can make.

    What if the folks at Charlie Hebdo had been allowed to defend themselves? You know the first policemen responding had to run away (surprise!) because they were unarmed?