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posted by NCommander on Monday June 22 2015, @06:38PM   Printer-friendly
from the further-securing-soylentnews dept.

As I get through my remaining TODO items (such as restoring our second webfront, hydrogen to production), I find myself needing advice on a few final items: implementing HTTP Strict Transport Security and HTTP Public Key Pinning. Although simple in theory, both these options have complications that I want feedback from.

HSTS

For those not familiar with HSTS, it essentially says that this site ONLY uses HTTPS, and to never attempt a plain HTTP connection. This primarily helps in preventing HTTPS stripping attacks. The downside is once enabled, we won't be able to disable HTTPS for any reason; web browsers will refuse to open a HTTP-only connection, and the site will break for most captive proxies (this is incidentally the reason that if you're behind a captive proxy, and try to go to Facebook or Twitter, the connection fails with the usual SSL error page in Firefox and Chrome). Furthermore, we will not be able to implement the 'includeSubdomains' option at this time as several our of sites use self-signed certificates. We'll be replacing these with real SSL certificates or a wildcard certificate in the near future to allow this.

HPKP

HTTP Public Key Pinning on the other hand, works to solve the age-old problem that any CA can sign any site. By pinning the SSL public key, we can indicate to browsers that an SSL connection to us is only valid if the certificate is both signed by a CA, and that the public key is one we control (and paired with our private key). Other SSL certificates will be rejected since they will not have the same 2048-bit key we use. The CA chain-of-trust is reduced to the first connection to the site post-pinning. The browser will cache the HPKP header and remember the pins until they expire. The downside to this is it both complicates key management, and will break the site if someone tries to access it behind a SSL proxy. For those unfamiliar with SSL proxies, they are (usually) hardware devices preloaded with a valid intermediate SSL certificate, which dynamically generates a "valid" SSL certificate for any HTTPS connection, and allows the operator to decrypt any encrypted traffic passed through it in such a matter that is almost invisible to end-users. I'm not sure how common such devices are, but once HPKP is enabled, SSL proxies will cease to function unless a corporate administrator disables HPKP support in the browser.

What I want to know from the community is the following:

  • Have you deployed HSTS/HPKP to any sites you administrator?
  • What, if any gotchas did you run into?
  • Have your users reported any unusual breakage or such?

Finally, for those wondering 'why bother', beside its obvious purposes, I want SoylentNews to be an example of a website done right; IPv6 support, strong SSL support, etc. We want to be an example other sites mimic, and as such, embrace technologies that protect the user from Man In The Middle, and such.

 
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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by tempest on Monday June 22 2015, @07:28PM

    by tempest (3050) on Monday June 22 2015, @07:28PM (#199557)

    HSTS headers are only valid if sent through https, and are not to be sent through http. Therefore the only way to end up with a browser pointed that way, is for them to have visited via https at some point. The nice thing about HSTS is that it solved an ATOM feed issue. Atom requires the entire URL be specified in the feed, but I only provide TLS optionally for those who want it (sign my own certs currently). This meant that anyone subscribing to atom feeds pulled them via plain http, and that the links were also plain http. HSTS secures everything in a roundabout way.

    I previously used Key Pinning, but since I signed my own certs just pinned the cert itself (which you're not supposed to do). I set the period to one week, so provided I visit my site once a week this means the browser detects a third party certificate injection. I plan on trying lets-encrypt, so I've since let it lapse as I'll be pinning them as a CA.

    Note that my site has virtually no traffic, and https is offered optionally. I'd assume it's unused aside from browsers using opportunistic encryption (which is unverified). I only allow 4 TLS algorithms, so it's not like I give a shit :p

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