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Paypal has stopped processing payments for Voat, a donation-supported open-source clone of Reddit. A moderator of Reddit's SRS community has taken credit for convincing Paypal to take action against Voat.
Additionally: This is what happens when you create an online community without any rules, part 2
PayPal Cuts Off Reddit Clone Voat Over 'Obscenity'
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(Score: 2) by kaszz on Thursday June 25 2015, @11:23AM
What does SRS stand for?
Seems almost like a compliance fascism. With the money and connection supply being cut whenever there's a defection.
(Score: 3, Informative) by nitehawk214 on Thursday June 25 2015, @12:51PM
It stands for "Shit Reddit Says", I have never visited it, and I am embarrassed I even know this.
Basically take the anarchy, doxing, and the worst elements of /b/ and add social justice and outrage and raids against anyone that might disagree with them.
I can only imagine that they are completely blind to their hypocrisy.
"Don't you ever miss the days when you used to be nostalgic?" -Loiosh
(Score: 2) by kaszz on Thursday June 25 2015, @01:02PM
So rededit owners/admins getting bashed by their own forum? seems like shooting oneself in the foot somehow.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 25 2015, @11:06PM
No, the reddit Admins are on their side, never hold them accountable while holding others to a much higher standard when SRS bitches about "vote brigades" etc. in order to allow SRS to censor places that don't uphold their ideological view of SJW ideology.
SRS doesn't shit on Admins, being an outgrowth from and with heavy overlap with Something Awful forums (like those who partook in Helldump), SRS harasses, doxes, raids, trolls, and false reports others in order to enforce their Politically Correctness on others.
So, in this case Reddit admins were censoring certain kinds of offensive content, while leaving up other offensive content which SRS likes. Voat is a reddit clone which users were flocking to. The host of voat was brigaded by SRS, resulting in termination of hosting but that was just after voat had moved to new hosts. So, SRS then went to Paypal as they've gone after people's patreons, gofundme, etc. crowd funding platforms before, and made a bunch of false accusations yet again. It's not like Voat was willfully hosting illegal content, they remove illegal shit, but you see, SRS will false flag as a user then post kiddy porn, screen shot it and report it as Voat (or whatever group) supporting child pornography.
Rather than stand up to the SRS trolls the SJW sympathizers at these funding platforms use SRS complaints as the excuse they needed to silence and suppress those they disagree with.
It's not like SRS is running a campaign against the Reddit admins, they're the agent provocateurs and digital terrorists of Reddit.
(Score: 4, Informative) by The Archon V2.0 on Thursday June 25 2015, @02:19PM
I did, after all this started, figured it couldn't be as bad as I'd heard. First post I saw was this smug post taking credit for reporting Voat to Paypal. I thought it was a troll, surely no one would be insane enough to take credit, until I realized it was a moderator post.
The inmates are running that asylum.
(Score: 5, Informative) by jmorris on Thursday June 25 2015, @03:18PM
This isn't Progressivism/SJWism run amok. This -IS- Progressivism/SJWism. Every word from their lips is a lie. When they speak of tolerance it is a lie, when they use the word they mean they will not tolerate the intolerant... and they define all opposition to their political program as intolerance. They speak of diversity but that is defined as everyone of every approved racial background, sexual identitity/disfunction, cultural background coming together in perfect harmony because they think exactly the same approved thoughts. And so on.
You didn't see an aberration, you just saw them in their natural habitat speaking to themselves. When they speak in public they simply lie more. But they lie even to themselves, it is what defines them. We can't reason with them because they are purely emotion driven, we can't appeal to their better nature because they do not have one, we can't appeal to their humanity because they reject it; what we can and must do is defeat them, drive them back into the shadows by simply laughing in their faces every single time they start one of their campaigns of making some new insane demand. I urge that every sane person go purchase Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals, read it, understand how our enemy thinks and what drives them and then flip the damned script back in their faces.
The hour is short; if our civilization is to survive we must act, and soon. The question of whether or not free people can peacefully govern themselves is about to be decided, are you even in the fight?
(Score: 2) by The Archon V2.0 on Thursday June 25 2015, @03:44PM
> The question of whether or not free people can peacefully govern themselves is about to be decided, are you even in the fight?
You sound like you're about to suggest I doxx somebody.
(Score: 2, Disagree) by jmorris on Thursday June 25 2015, @04:05PM
Doxxing is a horrible thing because it causes people to fear speaking. But they make the rules and they declared it OK. There are exactly two ways it gets declared not OK again.
1. The forces of Light seize the country back and thus get to make the rules again. Not likely to happen soon. We didn't lose in a day and won't win in one either; this fight will take generations.
2. They change the rules back because they are suffering more from the practice than we. So yes, doxx the hell out of them, crowdsource efforts to expose the dirtiest secrets of every single SJW from the lowliest blogger to the Democrats with press badges at the major 'media' outlets. Go after then online and in meatspace at every SJW organization. There was a reason civilized people had certain codes of social conduct... reasons they care not for and reject simply because they did not impose them and saw no political benefit to themselves in retaining. We must teach them the wisdom our forefathers already knew.
They do not reason so do not attempt to reason with them. They do feel pain though so it is through suffering that they can learn.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Vanderhoth on Thursday June 25 2015, @04:26PM
I highly disagree with "dox the hell out of them", hold them to their own standards. Point out how THEY are the intolerant bigots. Point to the truth, show what they do is unacceptable, don't stoop to their level.
You'll never change their minds, but you expose them to people that don't understand the behaviour who simply agreed with them because it was politically correct to do so or because it appears theirs was the majority opinion. That's how they operate, they shame people who disagree with them into being quiet, which means they're the only ones people get to hear. When they've gathered enough support and it looks like there's no opposition it's a snap for them to have legislation put in place or force private entities to conform to their point of view.
This is a good description of how conformity is used [youtube.com]
"Now we know", "And knowing is half the battle". -G.I. Joooooe
(Score: 2) by jmorris on Thursday June 25 2015, @05:08PM
they shame people who disagree with them into being quiet
And this is why you nice polite "National Review" types always lose. You insist that it is better to lose with honor because eventually the silent moderate majority will realize how awful the other side is by your noble example. But they are afraid and by definition poorly attached to any political viewpoint so even if they do sorta agree with us they will DO NOTHING.
Sorry, if the battle is to be won, we must win it; and to win requires actually fighting the other side. If you refuse to pick up your sword then at least go in peace and allow those more willing to have more room to swing. Gandalf isn't coming at dawn with a fresh new army of reinforcements right when all hope is lost. If we lose our civilization goes and a new Dark Age falls. The other side fights with everything it has for the Adversary while we worry about niceties.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Vanderhoth on Thursday June 25 2015, @05:34PM
Extremism hurts everyone. I believe the issue is most people are apathetic which allows vocal minorities to control a message. Showing people it is a minority and convincing them to speak out is key to getting them to ignore that minority. The only reason politicians side with "SJW" is because they're loud and precised to be the popular opinion.
See my other post for suggestions on dealing with this without resorting to their tactics:
https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?sid=8100&cid=201052#commentwrap [soylentnews.org]
For all the bad PR GamerGate gets, they've been incredibly successful in exposing and dealing with these types of people. Most of the journalist that tried to smear GamerGate have been let go and/or moved on. Some complain they can't find work now, they've become unhireable (Alex Lifschitz, Kim Crawley) and beg for money from GamerGhazi and get eaten alive by them for stepping out of line. Other journalist, like Ian Miles Cheong, have completely flipped sides because of how bad "SJW" are to them. Some have been refactored out of the sites they did work for (Leigh Alexander and Ben Kuchera)
It's a slow and painful fight, but strides are being made all the time.
"Now we know", "And knowing is half the battle". -G.I. Joooooe
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by fleg on Friday June 26 2015, @04:18AM
>if the battle is to be won, we must win it
its a battle now? who is we?
>Gandalf isn't coming at dawn with a fresh new army of reinforcements right when all hope is lost.
he isnt? why not fer crying out loud?!?! SOMEONE GET GANDALF!!!
>The other side fights with everything it has for the Adversary
OHMYGOD!!! who is The Adversary!??! honestly i had no idea!
should i pack a bag?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 25 2015, @05:34PM
This tactic won't work. They routinely ignore logic and reason. They have no shame. They will stoop to any level.
An example of how many of them think: "Only the police should have guns. The people should be disarmed because they cannot be trusted." and "Police routinely abuse their powers and murder innocent people daily. They cannot be trusted." It doesn't matter if you think those statements are true or false. Assuming they are true, they never make the connection.
It's complete doublethink and it's not the only issue where they think this way. Many of them believe that it's impossible to be discriminatory toward certain ethnicities while constantly complaining of ethnic discrimination toward other ethnicities. Their views on what constitutes gender and gender discrimination are even more bizarre and socially perilous. You probably think I'm exaggerating but if you can stomach their writing, check out SRS and Tumblr. It's quite the pass through the looking glass.
These people are idealogical extremists and should be recognized as such.
Many of them are so called "Useful Idiots".
Follow the money and the media coverage and you'll see who is using them to promote these authoritarian ideas wrapped in "pseudo-leftism" in order to make them appealing to a younger crowd.
It won't even take you very long. It's somewhat of an "Open Secret".
(Score: 2) by Vanderhoth on Thursday June 25 2015, @06:05PM
Been following GamerGate for 10 months, you don't have to lecture me on this. I'm extremely aware of tumblr, SRS and GamerGhazi ^_^
When I started with GamerGate I was only in it for JUST changing ethical practices in the games journalism industry. The people you talk about are the reason I ended up staying even after policies were updated. They are GamerGate's best recruiting tool, five minutes of a neutral party listening to them and they'll be running the other way or be pushed into the opposing camp because some of their ideologies are just to extreme, and contradictory, for most people to stomach. ANYTHING other than 100% compliance is unacceptable.
It's important to recognize "SJW", for lack of a better term sorry, are their own worst enemies. Don't become them while fighting them.
"Now we know", "And knowing is half the battle". -G.I. Joooooe
(Score: 2) by fleg on Friday June 26 2015, @04:12AM
>The forces of Light
who or what are you talking about?
>We must teach them the wisdom our forefathers already knew.
what wisdom? who's forefathers? what?
>They do feel pain though so it is through suffering that they can learn.
what?
(Score: 2) by joshuajon on Friday June 26 2015, @01:59PM
Thank you for posting this. I was starting to feel not just confused, but like maybe I'd missed some major cultural shift. Reading your post reminded me that I'm not the whacked one.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Vanderhoth on Thursday June 25 2015, @04:17PM
I believe it's a suggestion to watch out for people that use "diversity" and "inclusion" in one sentence, then turn around and readily accuse people of "hate speech" and talk of "safe spaces". Don't get sucked into attacking people you don't know very much about.
A few examples of this happening recently.
Tim Hunt [thefederalist.com], reporters only reported part of a joke he opened with
Which caused him to resign due to people personally attacking and threatening him. The full speech was
Shirt Storm [cnn.com], people attacked Matt Taylor for the shirt he was wearing, to the point he had to apologize and cried on international TV, claiming it made science less inclusive to women.
And yes people are sick of hearing about it, but #GamerGate. Gamers called for better ethical practices from the media which has become obsessed with writing poorly sourced clickbait outrage opinion pieces. The media quickly countered with smear pieces claiming #GamerGate was all about harassing women out of the industry despite some of the most vocal supporters of #GamerGate being women in the industry.
Examples of how Gamers are fighting back include donating to charities [gamergate.me], contacting advertisers forcing sites to update their ethical policies, notifying the FTC of ethical breaches resulting in the FTC updating policies and developing sites like DeepFreeze [deepfreeze.it] to inform the public of journalists bad behaviour.
"Now we know", "And knowing is half the battle". -G.I. Joooooe
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 25 2015, @10:32PM
And yes people are sick of hearing about it, but #GamerGate. Gamers called for better ethical practices from the media which has become obsessed with writing poorly sourced clickbait outrage opinion pieces.
Those outrage pieces are typically from the Social Justice Warrior perspective (note: nothing wrong with SJ, but when it's bitching about useless shit like commercials, and game characters it's not social justice, it's thought police). It's not just STEM, games and media that are being censored by SJWs. Medical science is being censored and thwarted by these ideologues too. [youtube.com]
This is why most who promote #Gamergate also speak out against ideological influence in games / journalism / science / etc. Someone needs to stand up to these armchair thought police, and if no one else will but gamers, then so fucking be it, we'll fight, die, and respawn till we win.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2015, @02:26AM
> (note: nothing wrong with SJ, but when it's bitching about useless shit like commercials, and game characters it's not social justice, it's thought police)
If it is "useless shit" then so what? It is useless after all.
(Score: 2) by kurenai.tsubasa on Friday June 26 2015, @03:56PM
Thanks for the links!
I was reading gamergate.me blog and found an interesting entry about how Madonna co-opted some of black/Hispanic queer culture. I know an LGBT person with some Hispanic heritage, so I'll pass it on.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 26 2015, @11:24PM
> Which caused him to resign due to people personally attacking and threatening him. The full speech was...
Whether or not you think that was a self-deprecating joke or not, he went on to non-ironically advocate for gender segregated labs. Then he went on the BBC [bbc.com] and non-ironically defended that "joke" by saying "It's terribly important that you can criticise people's ideas without criticising them and if they burst into tears, it means that you tend to hold back from getting at the absolute truth."
The great irony here is that you are claiming it is about "ethics in journalism" and yet you just finished telling only half the story in order to give your argument undeserved legitimacy. You couldn't have done a better job of discrediting your own cause if you had tried.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2015, @01:42PM
He was making a valid point with: "It's terribly important that you can criticise people's ideas without criticising them and if they burst into tears, it means that you tend to hold back from getting at the absolute truth." That in itself is not a sexist statement, it is only sexist when you state or imply that one gender cannot accept criticism as well as the other.
And I interpreted the bit about gender separated labs as part of the joke and was actually only intended ironically, my reading of his comments in that BBC article you linked to seem to support that. Do you have any clear evidence that he was actually serious about that? I'm not sure where you got that it was meant non-ironically.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2015, @01:58PM
> it is only sexist when you state or imply that one gender cannot accept criticism as well as the other.
Which is exactly what he did. "I just made a joke about women crying and now here I'm being serious that crying is bad for science."
Jesus christ you gamergaters love to play dumb - always ready to bend over backwards to give your fellow travelers the benefit of the doubt while doing the opposite for anyone you don't like and then accusing everybody else of your own sins.
(Score: 2) by shortscreen on Thursday June 25 2015, @05:59PM
Assuming everyone under the "progressive" banner is an SJW type is going a step too far. Or are all conservatives an evangelical bible-thumper stereotype? Didn't think so.
(Score: 2) by The Archon V2.0 on Thursday June 25 2015, @06:25PM
> Or are all conservatives an evangelical bible-thumper stereotype?
Of course, I just had an argument yesterday with someone who held that all conservatives are Christians and all Christians are evangelicals and all evangelicals are Biblical literalists and all literalists are bigots. Therefore, all conservatives are bigots who use the Bible to uphold their bigotry. (Even if that were all true, at least they'd have ONE crutch for their bigotry, unlike the person I was arguing with.)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 26 2015, @11:28PM
> Or are all conservatives an evangelical bible-thumper stereotype?
jmorris himself is, so he probably doesn't mind that stereotype
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 25 2015, @11:15PM
If you want to know how the leftist SJWs got their groupthink, then watch this video. [youtube.com]
If you just want a shorter real world demonstration of how this PC agenda plays out as lies in the mainstream media, watch this video. [youtube.com]
If you want any more reason to lose faith in the corrupt, largely P.C. / government controlled mainstream media, watch this video. [youtube.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 26 2015, @12:11AM
What if I like watching amusing videos of cats? What video should I watch?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 26 2015, @01:04AM
The hour is short; if our civilization is to survive we must act, and soon.
Does the constitution hang by a thread? I am waiting for the White Horse Prophecy. Or was it the White Salamander?
(Score: 2) by fleg on Friday June 26 2015, @04:14AM
>The hour is short; if our civilization is to survive we must act, and soon.
our civilisation? who is "our"?
>are you even in the fight?
theres a fight?