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posted by takyon on Thursday June 25 2015, @08:35AM   Printer-friendly
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  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Vanderhoth on Thursday June 25 2015, @04:17PM

    by Vanderhoth (61) on Thursday June 25 2015, @04:17PM (#201052)

    I believe it's a suggestion to watch out for people that use "diversity" and "inclusion" in one sentence, then turn around and readily accuse people of "hate speech" and talk of "safe spaces". Don't get sucked into attacking people you don't know very much about.

    A few examples of this happening recently.

    Tim Hunt [thefederalist.com], reporters only reported part of a joke he opened with

    Let me tell you about my trouble with girls. Three things happen when they are in the lab: you fall in love with them, they fall in love with you, and when you criticise them they cry.

    Which caused him to resign due to people personally attacking and threatening him. The full speech was

    It’s strange that such a chauvinist monster like me has been asked to speak to women scientists. Let me tell you about my trouble with girls. Three things happen when they are in the lab: you fall in love with them, they fall in love with you, and when you criticise them they cry. Perhaps we should make separate labs for boys and girls?
     
    Now seriously, I’m impressed by the economic development of Korea. And women scientists played, without doubt an important role in it. Science needs women and you should do science despite all the obstacles, and despite monsters like me.

    Shirt Storm [cnn.com], people attacked Matt Taylor for the shirt he was wearing, to the point he had to apologize and cried on international TV, claiming it made science less inclusive to women.

    And yes people are sick of hearing about it, but #GamerGate. Gamers called for better ethical practices from the media which has become obsessed with writing poorly sourced clickbait outrage opinion pieces. The media quickly countered with smear pieces claiming #GamerGate was all about harassing women out of the industry despite some of the most vocal supporters of #GamerGate being women in the industry.

    Examples of how Gamers are fighting back include donating to charities [gamergate.me], contacting advertisers forcing sites to update their ethical policies, notifying the FTC of ethical breaches resulting in the FTC updating policies and developing sites like DeepFreeze [deepfreeze.it] to inform the public of journalists bad behaviour.

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    "Now we know", "And knowing is half the battle". -G.I. Joooooe
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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 25 2015, @10:32PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 25 2015, @10:32PM (#201263)

    And yes people are sick of hearing about it, but #GamerGate. Gamers called for better ethical practices from the media which has become obsessed with writing poorly sourced clickbait outrage opinion pieces.

    Those outrage pieces are typically from the Social Justice Warrior perspective (note: nothing wrong with SJ, but when it's bitching about useless shit like commercials, and game characters it's not social justice, it's thought police). It's not just STEM, games and media that are being censored by SJWs. Medical science is being censored and thwarted by these ideologues too. [youtube.com]

    This is why most who promote #Gamergate also speak out against ideological influence in games / journalism / science / etc. Someone needs to stand up to these armchair thought police, and if no one else will but gamers, then so fucking be it, we'll fight, die, and respawn till we win.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2015, @02:26AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2015, @02:26AM (#201956)

      > (note: nothing wrong with SJ, but when it's bitching about useless shit like commercials, and game characters it's not social justice, it's thought police)

      If it is "useless shit" then so what? It is useless after all.

  • (Score: 2) by kurenai.tsubasa on Friday June 26 2015, @03:56PM

    by kurenai.tsubasa (5227) on Friday June 26 2015, @03:56PM (#201558) Journal

    Thanks for the links!

    I was reading gamergate.me blog and found an interesting entry about how Madonna co-opted some of black/Hispanic queer culture. I know an LGBT person with some Hispanic heritage, so I'll pass it on.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 26 2015, @11:24PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 26 2015, @11:24PM (#201870)

    > Which caused him to resign due to people personally attacking and threatening him. The full speech was...

    Whether or not you think that was a self-deprecating joke or not, he went on to non-ironically advocate for gender segregated labs. Then he went on the BBC [bbc.com] and non-ironically defended that "joke" by saying "It's terribly important that you can criticise people's ideas without criticising them and if they burst into tears, it means that you tend to hold back from getting at the absolute truth."

    The great irony here is that you are claiming it is about "ethics in journalism" and yet you just finished telling only half the story in order to give your argument undeserved legitimacy. You couldn't have done a better job of discrediting your own cause if you had tried.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2015, @01:42PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2015, @01:42PM (#202062)

      He was making a valid point with: "It's terribly important that you can criticise people's ideas without criticising them and if they burst into tears, it means that you tend to hold back from getting at the absolute truth." That in itself is not a sexist statement, it is only sexist when you state or imply that one gender cannot accept criticism as well as the other.

      And I interpreted the bit about gender separated labs as part of the joke and was actually only intended ironically, my reading of his comments in that BBC article you linked to seem to support that. Do you have any clear evidence that he was actually serious about that? I'm not sure where you got that it was meant non-ironically.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2015, @01:58PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 27 2015, @01:58PM (#202065)

        > it is only sexist when you state or imply that one gender cannot accept criticism as well as the other.

        Which is exactly what he did. "I just made a joke about women crying and now here I'm being serious that crying is bad for science."

        Jesus christ you gamergaters love to play dumb - always ready to bend over backwards to give your fellow travelers the benefit of the doubt while doing the opposite for anyone you don't like and then accusing everybody else of your own sins.