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posted by martyb on Monday July 06 2015, @08:57AM   Printer-friendly
from the getting-what-you-asked-for-may-not-be-getting-what-you-want dept.

The Greeks voted no to the European Union's terms, despite warnings from the EU that rejecting new austerity terms would set their country on a path out of the Eurozone. 62% voted "No" while 38% voted "Yes".


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2015, @09:22AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2015, @09:22AM (#205529)

    What you call civilization, they call foreign domination. I am not surprised at all that they voted no - it has been known for years that Gold Man-Sacks did their standard vampire-squid job [businessinsider.com] on the country. Combine that with the greed of the country's elite (a social class without any sense of patriotic loyalty) and of course the plebiscite voted to give them all the big F-U once they had a chance to be heard. It won't make things any better for the citizenry, but voting yes probably wouldn't have helped either - just more of the same abuse - so at least they got fuck over some of the people that fucked them over.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2015, @09:29AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2015, @09:29AM (#205531)

    Down with the Galactic Patrol! Give us back our Freedom!

  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2015, @01:19PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2015, @01:19PM (#205608)
    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday July 07 2015, @02:14PM

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday July 07 2015, @02:14PM (#206118) Journal
      The problem with the "biggest lie" is that it isn't a falsehood. This whole shitfest is due to decades of bad decisions by Greece. I'll note that the Scandinavian countries don't have this problem, for example.
  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by RedGreen on Monday July 06 2015, @02:34PM

    by RedGreen (888) on Monday July 06 2015, @02:34PM (#205637)

    Yes I can see how they would be pissed off being forced at point of gun to take and spend all that money they did not have and could not afford, they were so hard done by. Just like countless others have had done to them taking credit they could not afford to take on, its such a tough life living beyond your means...

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    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2015, @02:38PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2015, @02:38PM (#205639)

      Do you think the average citizen had any say in that at all?
      But they are the ones expected to fulfill the obligations imposed on them by the rich and powerful who sucked up the lionshare of that money in the first place.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2015, @03:55PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2015, @03:55PM (#205687)

        Yes, they kept voting for clientelist politicians on every level, and they refused to pay taxes. The referendum result is not atypical.

        • (Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2015, @05:01PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2015, @05:01PM (#205728)

          The US voted for someone who would close gitmo and opposed warrantless wiretaps and national security letters. [msnbc.com] The powerful always have their own agenda.

          • (Score: 1, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2015, @05:24PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2015, @05:24PM (#205738)

            It is one thing when politicians say something and do something else when they're elected. It is quite another thing when the politicians buy votes with promises and then pay for them with the printing press (before the Euro) or loans (since the Euro). Note that the referendum is completely in line with the communist policy of the current Greek administration. That is not a people being betrayed by its politicians.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2015, @11:01PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2015, @11:01PM (#205883)

              People keep saying this, yet there is no proof. If you can present proof of your claim, people of different political leanings will believe you. I will believe you if you have proof.

            • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2015, @11:33PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2015, @11:33PM (#205891)

              You really should read this [medium.com]. It seems that it's not quite as cut and dried as the evil lazy commie Greeks, the idea that you put forward.

              Unless, of course, the idea that you put forward is meant to influence others and isn't one that you actually give a damn about.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07 2015, @05:57AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07 2015, @05:57AM (#205999)

                Throughout history, Germany has repaid debt, Germany has had debt forgiven and Germany has forgiven debt. Germany should also be allowed to expect repayment. There are many other countries in the Eurozone which are also not willing to forgive Greece's debt at this point in time.

                Greece has been granted several haircuts already. They seem to think that this can go on and on, but it can't. It would be devastating to the Eurozone to give them another haircut now, because it would send all the wrong signals. In time, if Greece has made the necessary reforms and has proven that it can and does live within its means (except for the debt burden), then and only then can we talk about another haircut. The debt that Greece has is already put off so long that it is not really an impediment to growth, just a showstopper for more uncontrolled spending. We would have to talk about the debt if it were actually part of Greece's problems right now, but it isn't. Greece's problems are a result of a corrupt, wasteful and ineffective state apparatus, and the fact that the Greek people are comfortable with that kind of situation. This can not be solved by forgiving their debt and thereby giving that consistently failing administration more time. Greece needs to change if it wants to stay in the Eurozone, now.

                It is worth noting that the loudest calls for debt relief come from uninvolved parties and from parties who expect to be paid: The IMF does not forgive debt, but expects Europe to bail out Greece so that Greece can pay its debt to the IMF. The US has geopolitical interests, but does not pay a dime to Greece. There are some private funds which have invested billions in Greek bonds with very high risk premiums after the last haircut, fully knowing their risk, but certainly expecting Europe to unconditionally help Greece. These funds will not forgive any debt, but rest assured that they are behind some of the calls for debt relief.

                Long story short, the debt is not going anywhere, for now.

          • (Score: 2) by RedGreen on Monday July 06 2015, @05:27PM

            by RedGreen (888) on Monday July 06 2015, @05:27PM (#205739)

            Obviously never heard the old How do you a politician is lying? Answer their lips are moving. It is indeed a quite shocking that a politician would say one thing before then do another after an election, never happened before. You just have to figure out which one is the less scummy of the bunch, hold your nose and vote.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2015, @06:49PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2015, @06:49PM (#205784)

              Cool story bro!

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2015, @11:37PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2015, @11:37PM (#205893)

              "Hello," he lied.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2015, @11:44PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2015, @11:44PM (#205897)

              You just have to figure out which one is the less scummy of the bunch, hold your nose and vote.

              That's what leads to ever-increasing levels of evil, because The One Party candidates will always win. That mentality is poisonous.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07 2015, @01:54PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07 2015, @01:54PM (#206110)

          well no they trew out the politicans that caused the problem in the last electionthe troijka did't like that and started harrassing them

      • (Score: 2) by RedGreen on Monday July 06 2015, @05:17PM

        by RedGreen (888) on Monday July 06 2015, @05:17PM (#205734)

        Whatever they had decades to get on it yet they sat back and enjoyed the benefits not bitching at all until the chickens came home to roost and they had to make some sacrifices. Sell that load of bull shit to someone who is buying.

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        • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2015, @08:05PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2015, @08:05PM (#205813)

          > Sell that load of bull shit to someone who is buying.

          Right back at you powerfucker.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2015, @11:40PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06 2015, @11:40PM (#205894)

          You forgot to say "commies" or "socialists," and didn't use the word "lazy." You also probably think that people get paid appropriately to their effort.

          • (Score: 2) by RedGreen on Monday July 06 2015, @11:48PM

            by RedGreen (888) on Monday July 06 2015, @11:48PM (#205899)

            Probably because I am a Socialist however I am not some fool who thinks you can spend forever without paying the bills. And these people in Greece certainly knew they were spending way beyond their means now the time has come where they get the reality check, good luck to them unfortunately I see plenty of pain in their future.

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    • (Score: 2) by edIII on Monday July 06 2015, @11:31PM

      by edIII (791) on Monday July 06 2015, @11:31PM (#205889)

      Wow, you act like Wall Street and the Bankers were just completely innocent in it all.

      Just please don't tell me you're an apologist to the extent you blame the economy on the sub-prime mortgage holders and investment property speculators, as you're already blaming the victims too harshly.

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