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posted by janrinok on Thursday July 09 2015, @10:08PM   Printer-friendly
from the cloudy-outlook dept.

The Union of Concerned Scientists has released a report entitled The Climate Deception Dossiers.

For nearly three decades, many of the world's largest fossil fuel companies have knowingly worked to deceive the public about the realities and risks of climate change.

Their deceptive tactics are now highlighted in this set of seven "deception dossiers"—collections of internal company and trade association documents that have either been leaked to the public, come to light through lawsuits, or been disclosed through Freedom of Information (FOIA) requests.

So now we have some idea of "What fossil fuel companies knew and when they knew it". Full report available here [pdf].


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  • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Friday July 10 2015, @01:30AM

    by Thexalon (636) on Friday July 10 2015, @01:30AM (#207226)

    Except that, in an apocalyptic scenario as you described, their electronic money has no value.

    And I'd also like to point out that in an apocalyptic scenario, that shiny yellow metal that a lot of people think will protect their wealth is also pretty useless. If you have a pile of gold, and I have a pile of non-perishable food, I am much better off than you are, even if that pile of gold has a much higher dollar value than my pile of food.

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  • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday July 10 2015, @05:04AM

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday July 10 2015, @05:04AM (#207272) Journal

    And I'd also like to point out that in an apocalyptic scenario, that shiny yellow metal that a lot of people think will protect their wealth is also pretty useless.

    Having a stash of tools will be more valuable than that shiny yellow metal. Provided you can protect that stash.

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    • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Friday July 10 2015, @07:00PM

      by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Friday July 10 2015, @07:00PM (#207591) Journal

      Hell, even a stash of whiskey will be more valuable than gold. But it doesn't keep as well, it takes up more room, and the bottles are fragile. Similar arguments apply to food. Guns are another matter, of course.

      OTOH, there's a very large population, if the apocalypse happens over 90% will die. But not quickly. Pick your retreat carefully, and be sure that you can trust your guards, as you won't be able to depend on any outside legal system.

      That said, the apocalypse is unlikely. (Not quite unlikely, unfortunately.) We're talking about a slow process, that will take decades, perhaps centuries. People who are currently elderly will miss the worst effects. People who are currently young will have time to adapt...of course, it also requires foresight and wealth. Don't buy a house on a flood plain. Try for areas about 500 feet above sea level. (I hope I'm figuring in a sufficient margin of safety.) Expect crop failures, droughts, floods, etc. ... but not in a historic pattern.

      *THAT* said, climate isn't the only cause of civil disruption on the horizon. People are still in denial about the rate at which jobs are disappearing...and replacements haven't been showing up. Plumbing still looks like a safe job, but it's heavily unionized. Electrician may be an easier bet, and is nearly as difficult to automate or off-shore. And, of course, if you don't have any ethics being a con man is a growth industry...just don't bother with telemarketing.

      Then there's the economy. Lots of people with tell you how it's doing with great certainty.. I don't believe ANY of them. I don't actually believe anybody knows how the overall economy is doing, only what they can currently scrape out of it. Remember that ALL current money if fiat money, with no actual value, and most of it is just numbers in a computer somewhere. And you *know* what can happen to those numbers.

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