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posted by janrinok on Sunday July 19 2015, @12:20PM   Printer-friendly
from the timely-discussion dept.

We recently discussed reddit's woes and the hiring of a new CEO. However, we have seen communities come and go for many years.

Clay Shirky wrote about his experience in 1978: "Communitree was founded on the principles of open access and free dialogue... And then, as time sets in, difficulties emerge. In this case, one of the difficulties was occasioned by the fact that one of the institutions that got hold of some modems was a high school. ... the boys weren't terribly interested in sophisticated adult conversation. They were interested in fart jokes. They were interested in salacious talk. ... the adults who had set up Communitree were horrified, and overrun by these students. The place that was founded on open access had too much open access, too much openness. They couldn't defend themselves against their own users. The place that was founded on free speech had too much freedom."

There are two clear trends. One is that less input and customization tends to grow bigger. Note how Geocities was replaced with Myspace which was then replaced with Facebook and Twitter. These newer systems take away personal freedom of expression and makes people follow a 'prescribed' system, albeit an easier one to use. The other trend is that communities that try to be truly free and open end up either stifled by that openness or give up. The only obvious exception is a platform that allows us to simply filter out everything we don't want to see, which becomes a series of the feared echo chamber. With the excessive amount of data and the build up of complex rules on how information is shared, where does this leave us? It seems that like the famous iron triangle allowing free (and legal) speech with the possibility of diverse opinions, a cohesive group, and growth only allows you to pick two.

It seems to me this is a wicked problem, perhaps unsolvable. But I wonder if the community thinks there are other design options? Is this even possible with human nature as it is?


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  • (Score: 1) by TmTFx on Sunday July 19 2015, @04:21PM

    by TmTFx (5693) on Sunday July 19 2015, @04:21PM (#211110)

    Oh please not again with this rubbish of public vs private schools. I can tell you this: I live in an advanced country and the school is (mostly) public, we have one of the best school system in the world, a lot of geniuses come out of our schools (and then go to work in foreign coutries cause our managers are dumb as assholes). I can tell you this: The teachers are common people some are more leftist and some are rightist... Noone of them told me "you have to vote left or you are dead", this is only in your mind, and if there are teachers from the left wing there are also teachers from the right. So please stop that ignorant flamebait. Public school has nothing to do with make people dumb or propaganda control (At least in a democratic country).