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posted by janrinok on Sunday July 19 2015, @12:20PM   Printer-friendly
from the timely-discussion dept.

We recently discussed reddit's woes and the hiring of a new CEO. However, we have seen communities come and go for many years.

Clay Shirky wrote about his experience in 1978: "Communitree was founded on the principles of open access and free dialogue... And then, as time sets in, difficulties emerge. In this case, one of the difficulties was occasioned by the fact that one of the institutions that got hold of some modems was a high school. ... the boys weren't terribly interested in sophisticated adult conversation. They were interested in fart jokes. They were interested in salacious talk. ... the adults who had set up Communitree were horrified, and overrun by these students. The place that was founded on open access had too much open access, too much openness. They couldn't defend themselves against their own users. The place that was founded on free speech had too much freedom."

There are two clear trends. One is that less input and customization tends to grow bigger. Note how Geocities was replaced with Myspace which was then replaced with Facebook and Twitter. These newer systems take away personal freedom of expression and makes people follow a 'prescribed' system, albeit an easier one to use. The other trend is that communities that try to be truly free and open end up either stifled by that openness or give up. The only obvious exception is a platform that allows us to simply filter out everything we don't want to see, which becomes a series of the feared echo chamber. With the excessive amount of data and the build up of complex rules on how information is shared, where does this leave us? It seems that like the famous iron triangle allowing free (and legal) speech with the possibility of diverse opinions, a cohesive group, and growth only allows you to pick two.

It seems to me this is a wicked problem, perhaps unsolvable. But I wonder if the community thinks there are other design options? Is this even possible with human nature as it is?


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 20 2015, @08:23AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 20 2015, @08:23AM (#211332)

    Huh, huh! He said

    "personal responsibility"

    Almost as much of a tell as talking about the internationalist conspiracy (John Birch Society) or "thugs" (Conservative Citizens Council), or not being able to marry children (MikeeUSA).

    People who repeat talking points by definition do not realize their own profound stupidity. We should let it pass, as well, and try to help Anal to realize the truth, that there is no spoon, and so he/she should not try to bend it. Red pill/blue pill?

  • (Score: 2) by Anal Pumpernickel on Monday July 20 2015, @09:42PM

    by Anal Pumpernickel (776) on Monday July 20 2015, @09:42PM (#211603)

    People who repeat talking points by definition do not realize their own profound stupidity.

    Am I repeating my own talking points, then? Not many would claim to support absolute free speech. I support it because I think it's logical, and I value freedom more than I value 'safety' (From what, speech?). The mere fact that someone disagrees with you does not indicate that they are mindlessly repeating talking points.