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posted by janrinok on Thursday July 23 2015, @06:10PM   Printer-friendly
from the more-correllation-and-not-causation? dept.

Starting in 2007, carbon dioxide emissions in the U.S. began dropping off and by 2013 had been cut by 11 percent.

Many have attributed the drop in CO2 to the switch from coal to natural gas to generate electricity, as natural gas production in the U.S. ramped up thanks to new fracking technologies. Even TreeHugger reported on a Harvard study that suggested a correlation between lower gas prices and a drop in CO2.

But a new study from researchers at the University of Maryland suggests that the economic recession was a bigger driver in the drop in carbon emissions. The study, published in Nature Communications, compares various factors that contributed to the decreased emissions.
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The researchers found that the sharpest decline in CO2 happened during the worst of the recession, between 2007 and 2009. During that time, they calculate that 83 percent of the decrease is due to economic factors like consumption and production. As the economy started to recover after 2009, emission crept back up.


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 23 2015, @09:31PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 23 2015, @09:31PM (#212863)

    This Geo-engineering is going to be disastrous. What is the magnitude of the greenhouse effect they wish to counter? How can you devise a plan to alter albedo without knowing that? Did you realize that stefan-boltzmann law calculation that gives 33 C is total nonsense?
    https://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php?p=2&t=88&&a=509 [skepticalscience.com]

    It is ridiculous to try to learn about this stuff. I only found out that by trying to know how to calculate the average temperature of the moon. The people teaching this are either A) confused themselves, or B) purposefully confusing the discussion. You can find the IPCC, multiple textbooks, and even James Hansen in 1981 using that 33 C number. Yet they admit it has nothing to do with anything.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 23 2015, @10:48PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 23 2015, @10:48PM (#212897)

    Are you the one who was asking last Wednesday how to calculate the moon's temperature? I wrote you up a late response, don't know if you saw it. Take a look [soylentnews.org] and let me know if it helps you at all.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 23 2015, @11:28PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 23 2015, @11:28PM (#212913)

      Yes I am the same AC. Thanks. I am not really looking for an exact estimate but just something that gets in the ballpark of 200 K. Do you have any opinions on this?
      http://arxiv.org/pdf/0802.4324v1.pdf [arxiv.org]

      A major point is that temperature is proportional to the fourth root of solar irradiance (T~I^.025). So you get different (delta~100 K) results from taking the average of the solar irradiance and calculating an overall temperature vs calculating a temperature at each point and then averaging that. According to that source the true answer lies somewhere in between.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 24 2015, @12:30PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 24 2015, @12:30PM (#213118)

      Also, sorry for any confusion but I was looking for surface temperature. My understanding is that the core is thought to have little role there.